Comments on: Pro-Lifers: Did You Know that Planned Parenthood Goons Started the “Anti-Illegal Immigration” Movement?

By: Dave Leach

Dave Leach — Thu, 11 Oct 2012 16:55:00 +0000

You
are mixing issues. It is getting hard to keep track of what the
subject is. The pro-abortion/immigration restrictionist connection is
not in doubt. I think that is what you said you did not question. I
am not trying to put words in your mouth, or proving you said
something you did not. If that is not what you accept, just say so
plainly, and please explain why you disagree. It is the racist
connection that is getting us confused. You think I and the author
assume all abortionists are racists. No one said that, and no one
thinks it. That is silly. You say the assumption about racism is
“implicit” in the article. I would like to know what the
article said that supports this implication in your mind. I think
there is a connection, but I think it is indirect. Very indirect, as
I explained. Too indirect for there to be any kind of direct
correlation.

The point of the article is that prolife, moral conservative, Bible believing conservative Republicans are putting way too much trust in the “research” of organizations founded by abortionists, eugenicists, and in general those who reject God’s “be fruitful and multiply”. More profoundly, prolifers embrace “be fruitful and multiply” regarding those in the womb, but reject it regarding those across a border – instead adopting the credo of population control types that increasing our population will devastate our nation.

By: tunkashila

tunkashila — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 21:27:00 +0000

Your verbiage is telling; you “assume” a spiritual connection between the two merely because people who are associated with one group support another. But if the strength of your assumption is strong enough evidence to link the two positions in your mind, then no one would need to say that “all people who support abortion rights do so out of racism” as the argument is implicit in the article, regardless of whether it’s stated (i.e. assumptions work both ways). This does not make it a fact any more than your assumption that I agree with the position, which is an odd one since my last two posts on this thread specifically argued against such a connection. Your argument rests on flawed assumptions rather than facts, as does that of the author.

By: Dave Leach

Dave Leach — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 20:49:00 +0000

No one has said “that all people who support abortion rights do so out of racism”. That is a “straw man” argument: the distortion of a position severely enough to make it easy to ridicule. What has been said here is that the anti-immigrant, or immigration restrictionist groups, rely on strongly pro-abortion think tanks. A fact with which you appear to agree.

You suggest this connection is “tenuous”. Certainly the documentation of pro-abortion roots to immigration restrictionism is strong. Maybe you mean you don’t know what common spiritual bond has brought the two together. You wonder if it is only coincidence.

I assume the spiritual connection is the mutual repudiation, by immigration restrictionists and abortionists, of “be fruitful and multiply”. They both think increasing population is destructive. Racism is almost secondary; since reducing all races, with the support of all races, is politically impractical, it is much easier to pick on a race with little political power, as a place to start. But it is only to start.

By: tunkashila

tunkashila — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:39:00 +0000

I do not argue their bigotry, nor the disinformation these people and their groups propagate. However, the implication or extrapolation that all people who support abortion rights do so out of racism does not square with reality, which undermines your argument.

Furthermore, the vast majority of self-identified conservatives have framed themselves as anti-immigrant and anti-Latino through their support of SB1070 and similar measures as well as their steadfast opposition to overhauling our antiquated system. Perhaps it’s time you considered finding or defining a new system of political thought to which to attach yourself.

By: Cafe con Leche GOP

Cafe con Leche GOP — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:01:00 +0000

Where do you suppose politicians promoting harsh immigration policies get their ‘facts’ from? Almost invariably, their ‘facts’ blaming immigrants for a wide variety of social ills come from FAIR, CIS, NumbersUSA, either directly or indirectly. One could make a profession from writing books debunking the constant lies and myths these Tanton founded groups constantly propagate.

The Tanton network can best be described as an unholy alliance of population control progressives and bigots. Sadly, a few conservative politicians have been drinking Tanton’s Kool-Aidd, and liberals are all-to-happy to frame conservatives as anti-immigrant and anti-Latino with their typical race-baiting ways.

By: tunkashila

tunkashila — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:22:00 +0000

The connections between the execrable anti-immigration groups and Planned Parenthood are tenuous at best, if not outright ludicrous; do you think Tanton, Tarnow or Beck are performing forced abortions on immigrants as they cross the border or taking women to PP by gunpoint?

Like many pro-lifers, Mr. Kirchoff is quick to seek other brushes to smear his opponents with, apparently forgetting that people’s political views aren’t necessarily homogenous across the spectrum. I agree that all the people he named are racist twits who should be condemned for those views. But their support of abortion rights (and yes, it is a woman’s right to abort) does not further stain their already-spotty reputations, merely demonstrates the truth of the old adage that even a stopped clock is right twice a day.