Comments on: Eight Republican Congressmembers voted for the DREAM ACT

By: Scott

Scott — Mon, 20 Dec 2010 02:40:56 +0000

Why would the “class struggle” have more weight on my mind than God (capital G) or universal acclaim? In fact the only thing that matters to me in your analysis is God. You generalize the topic of the “Dream Act” so you can then point fingers at everyone. Well, 99+% of everyone. Who reads Leon Trotsky anyway?

By: Scott

Scott — Mon, 20 Dec 2010 02:06:12 +0000

So who makes up the ACLU, the American people? Who creates and dictates the laws in America, the American people. I’m not attempting to say that all laws are moral. That’s you reading into things. I’m simply saying illegal immigrants are not American citizens. You cannot use something that happened to Americans and expect the same result for people that are not American. My mother is white and my father black. Don’t compare their fight for equality as American citizens to illegal immigrants. They were fighting for there rights as American people living in America.

By: JoeS

JoeS — Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:49:11 +0000

” Don’t waste your time waiting for employers to come around to your way of thinking. They’re trying to sell things.”

EXACTLY, that is why they typically support open borders, they don’t care who the consumers are, just that they are consuming. Car dealers, fast food joints, and apartment complexes don’t really care if you are here illegally, or are a drug dealer, they just want your money.

By: JoeS

JoeS — Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:36:37 +0000

“Guest worker programs may alleviate a lot of this illegal immigration”

Any “guest worker” program would entail structured pay and likely other benefits. So the cost savings would just not be there anymore, that would encourage others to still come in and work cheaper…. The employers dream of State sponsered bottomless pool of slave wage labor is just that, a dream.

A so called “guest worker” program ONLY works with a TRULY secured border where crossing are kept to a manageable trickle, inconjunction with a hard hitting employer enforcement program.

The “guest worker” program floated by the Bush admin would have required employers to post jobs on a Dept of Labor site for 90 days before they could seek to fill the jobs with “guest workers”.

I’m not sure what you do for a living, but imagine your job gets posted up there “Wanted 200 widgit polishers, job pays minimum wage”

So no legal worker takes the job, because widgit polishers have traditionaly made $12hr, so after 90 days Acme Co brings in 200 “guest workers” from Algeria, Somalia, Mongolia…no where does it state it has to be Mexico…

Do you support giving corporations a bottomless pool of labor?

By: ken wall

ken wall — Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:13:59 +0000

Thanks Carolyn for your open mind.

By: ken wall

ken wall — Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:09:26 +0000

Murdering people? Whatever. I served.
No matter what your view is, as bad as Tucson crime is, I don’t think that would be a problem.

By: tiponeill

tiponeill — Sun, 19 Dec 2010 18:47:21 +0000

Honorably serving in the U.S. military for 4 years (or more?) as a path to citizenship would make more sense– since we still need troops in Afghanistan and have no draft.
Some of us have moral objections to murdering people – it may not make that much sense to them.
Unless, of course, we consider ourselves the new Sparta, where killing people was a requisite for citizenship for everyone.

By: leftfield

leftfield — Sun, 19 Dec 2010 18:32:33 +0000

Here is the best response I have read to the “What part of illegal…” argument:

This vacuity in the norms obligatory upon all arises from the fact that in all decisive questions people feel their class membership considerably more profoundly and more directly than their membership in “society”. The norms of “obligatory” morality are in reality charged with class, that is, antagonistic content. The moral norm becomes the more categoric the less it is “obligatory” upon all. Brother Leon

What this says is that your notions of “right vs wrong”, something deeply imbedded in the reactionary mind, are not universal or god-given or even decided by universal acclaim. Rather they arise from class struggle. The sad part is that, 99+% of the people arguing this point do actually belong to the same persecuted class as the migrants they despise, but they lack awareness and have been corrupted into class traitors.

By: leftfield

leftfield — Sun, 19 Dec 2010 18:23:12 +0000

What changed those laws was the ACLU taking the case to the Supreme Court. Then it was no longer illegal. As I said, laws change. When you say “What part…” you are, in fact, attempting to elevate the law into an ironclad moral precept, something which my example proves it is not.

By: leftfield

leftfield — Sun, 19 Dec 2010 18:20:34 +0000

I’m finding it hard to get a job because I’m not bilingual.

You could learn. Don’t waste your time waiting for employers to come around to your way of thinking. They’re trying to sell things.