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	<title>Comments on: Paul Eckerstrom, Co-chair of &#8220;Start our State&#8221; movement, to speak at Democrats of Greater Tucson</title>
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		<title>By: Fraser007</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fraser007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 17:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No but it was finished on a battlefield in Yorktown.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No but it was finished on a battlefield in Yorktown.</p>
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		<title>By: Fraser007</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fraser007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 17:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Almost how we feel when Obama will try to give citizenship to mexican illegals or how Obama refuses to protect  the border. (With 450 National Guard troops!! Wow). Works both ways Carolyn.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost how we feel when Obama will try to give citizenship to mexican illegals or how Obama refuses to protect  the border. (With 450 National Guard troops!! Wow). Works both ways Carolyn.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn Classen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn Classen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 14:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Start our State campaign kicked off their petition drive last week:
http://tucsoncitizen.com/community/2011/05/05/start-our-state-kick-off-on-free-baja-arizona-day/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Start our State campaign kicked off their petition drive last week:<br />
<a href="http://tucsoncitizen.com/community/2011/05/05/start-our-state-kick-off-on-free-baja-arizona-day/" rel="nofollow">http://tucsoncitizen.com/community/2011/05/05/start-our-state-kick-off-on-free-baja-arizona-day/</a></p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 13:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please-go ahead and secede. In fact, why not join mexico? I&#039;d give you a year before you beg to come back. I just hope we&#039;d say NO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please-go ahead and secede. In fact, why not join mexico? I&#8217;d give you a year before you beg to come back. I just hope we&#8217;d say NO.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn Classen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn Classen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Apr 2011 19:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eckerstrom to speak on this SOS movement at Saguaro Eastside Dems on 4/25, 7 p.m., New Spirit Lutheran Church, 8701 Old Spanish Trail.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eckerstrom to speak on this SOS movement at Saguaro Eastside Dems on 4/25, 7 p.m., New Spirit Lutheran Church, 8701 Old Spanish Trail.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 02:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How do you know how things &quot;seem&quot; to me, Hugh? You must have a lot of built-up anger against the GOP, to project it onto someone you&#039;ve never met or spoken with.

When did &quot;I&quot; demonize immigrants, Hugh?  

But yes, I do see Baja Arizona as a haven for the hackysack and &lt;em&gt;si se puede&lt;/em&gt; crowd.  They&#039;ll be drawn to it, Hugh.  How do you plan to keep them out?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you know how things &#8220;seem&#8221; to me, Hugh? You must have a lot of built-up anger against the GOP, to project it onto someone you&#8217;ve never met or spoken with.</p>
<p>When did &#8220;I&#8221; demonize immigrants, Hugh?  </p>
<p>But yes, I do see Baja Arizona as a haven for the hackysack and <em>si se puede</em> crowd.  They&#8217;ll be drawn to it, Hugh.  How do you plan to keep them out?</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh Holub</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh Holub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 15:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure they&#039;ll make their pitch...as will your side and a whole bunch of other views. 

What you are missing in all this is that our area has a very long history of a more libertarian view of stuff. Remember we&#039;re cowboy country where what your neighbor does is of no matter as long as it doesn&#039;t impact you. Thus what you would probably call &quot;liberal&quot; in that a Baja Arizona would probably not have laws about banning gay marriage is not &quot;liberal&quot; but in fact libertarian.... government has no business messing with private stuff.

 And if you are a staunch private property person... try and impose Anglo zoning codes on Hispanics.  

You have a whole lot of people...cowboys and Hispanics around here who don&#039;t trust the &quot;wisdom&quot; of government any more than the Tea Party. 

Where the GOP has made a vast mistake is making the immigration issue racist and fear driven when in fact they very people you all demonized actually support a whole lot of &quot;conservative&quot; ideas and don&#039;t trust government at all. 

You&#039;ve left the Huertas et al as the only voice in the political process for many people who would not otherwise have gone there. 

Something worth your time is get some background in the time period 1900 to 1920 when Mexico came unglued and many folks left that country..and the similarily to what is going on now.... 

You see Baja Arizona as a left wing liberal haven and I see Baja Arizona as a third way where what seem to you as opposing views actually merge into something really positive about protection of individual liberty and allowing maximum expression of the human potential we are blessed with here.  The Phoenix agenda diminishes us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll make their pitch&#8230;as will your side and a whole bunch of other views. </p>
<p>What you are missing in all this is that our area has a very long history of a more libertarian view of stuff. Remember we&#8217;re cowboy country where what your neighbor does is of no matter as long as it doesn&#8217;t impact you. Thus what you would probably call &#8220;liberal&#8221; in that a Baja Arizona would probably not have laws about banning gay marriage is not &#8220;liberal&#8221; but in fact libertarian&#8230;. government has no business messing with private stuff.</p>
<p> And if you are a staunch private property person&#8230; try and impose Anglo zoning codes on Hispanics.  </p>
<p>You have a whole lot of people&#8230;cowboys and Hispanics around here who don&#8217;t trust the &#8220;wisdom&#8221; of government any more than the Tea Party. </p>
<p>Where the GOP has made a vast mistake is making the immigration issue racist and fear driven when in fact they very people you all demonized actually support a whole lot of &#8220;conservative&#8221; ideas and don&#8217;t trust government at all. </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve left the Huertas et al as the only voice in the political process for many people who would not otherwise have gone there. </p>
<p>Something worth your time is get some background in the time period 1900 to 1920 when Mexico came unglued and many folks left that country..and the similarily to what is going on now&#8230;. </p>
<p>You see Baja Arizona as a left wing liberal haven and I see Baja Arizona as a third way where what seem to you as opposing views actually merge into something really positive about protection of individual liberty and allowing maximum expression of the human potential we are blessed with here.  The Phoenix agenda diminishes us.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 15:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, you&#039;re saying that Dolores and Isabel and Three and Company WON&#039;T find Baja Arizona to their activist liking?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, you&#8217;re saying that Dolores and Isabel and Three and Company WON&#8217;T find Baja Arizona to their activist liking?</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 15:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just let us all know when you&#039;ve got your Sons (and Daughters, and Gender-Neutral-Non-Judgemental-Persons) of Liberty all ready to go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just let us all know when you&#8217;ve got your Sons (and Daughters, and Gender-Neutral-Non-Judgemental-Persons) of Liberty all ready to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 15:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah...the old strawman charge!  So, &lt;em&gt;you&#039;re&lt;/em&gt; the one that gets to decide how people may or may not perceive Baja Arizona? ( Come to think of it...it IS your fantasy, so maybe you are.)

Oh, BTW, Leftfield just cautioned Fraser and I about getting worked up in a lather over this whole Baja Arizona thing.  Perhaps he should caution you, too?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah&#8230;the old strawman charge!  So, <em>you&#8217;re</em> the one that gets to decide how people may or may not perceive Baja Arizona? ( Come to think of it&#8230;it IS your fantasy, so maybe you are.)</p>
<p>Oh, BTW, Leftfield just cautioned Fraser and I about getting worked up in a lather over this whole Baja Arizona thing.  Perhaps he should caution you, too?</p>
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