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Vote For Kelly—The Business World Is Watching

by on Jun. 08, 2012, under Uncategorized

Tucson has a reputation as a kooky, liberal, often-silly town that’s not friendly to business, especially larger companies. That needs to change.

Electing Jesse Kelly to Congress on Tuesday will send an important message: Not all Tucsonans view the free market and bigger business with disinterest, if not outright disdain. Tucson can, indeed be a place where businesses can grow and flourish.

When businesses and entrepreneurs look at Tucson nowadays, what do they see?

  • “Baja Arizona.
  • “Rio Nuevo,” a new synonym for mismanagement and squandering money.
  • A city council dominated by Democrats, focused on the downtown (and that blasted streetcar) and seemingly indifferent to the suburbs where most Tucsonans live and where most new businesses of any decent size will lay down roots.
  • A preference for smaller, “boutique” businesses, like trendy cafes and antique shops, over larger firms. (It’s those larger firms, however, that can pay good benefits to large numbers of employees and serve as economic engines that make a town healthy.)
  • Public schools that teach students to chain themselves to furniture at public meetings and stalk out of class in protest against (fill in the blank) at the drop of a hat.
  • The Center for Biological Diversity, an environmental activist group that will sue anyone, anywhere who does anything that might disturb any kind of plant or animal.  Tucson is the CBD’s home!  If you were a businessman, looking for a city where you can expand your business, would YOU want to move to the town that is the HOME BASE for America’s most litigious Luddites?
  • Our horrible roads.  You don’t have to drive on them; you can see how bad they are from outer space.

Tucson has two Congressmen.  One is Raul Grijalva.  Chairman of the House Progressive Caucus. Famous for (among other things) calling for an economic boycott of HIS OWN HOME STATE and asking for UN observers to monitor elections in the United States.

On Tuesday, we have a chance to show the nation that Tucson can elect a different kind of Congressman.

Ron Barber says that he wants the rich and the corporations to “pay their fair share.”  That means that, SOMEONE has to decide (a) who is “rich” and (b) what constitutes a “fair share.” 

Ummm…who’s going to decide what’s fair?  The Democrats answer that question by looking in their mirrors. And, they seem very comfortable with assuming that role for themselves.

That’s chilling. Would you want to live in a world where SOMEONE ELSE decides what’s fair and what isn’t? Think about that as you vote on Tuesday.

Let’s say you’re a business owner in California.  You’ve had it with the state’s out-of-control taxes.  You’re ready to pack up and move to a place that’s friendly to business.

What would make you want to stop in Tucson? Would you want to set up shop in a community whose elected leaders seem to tolerate business as a necessary evil? Who prefer an economy shaped and driven by their own partisan hands, instead of Adam Smith’s invisible one?  Who think that they, and not the free market, should decide what’s fair? Who think that it’s OK for businesses to operate and try to be profitable…as long as they do it in that teeny-tiny box of opportunity that government is willing to let them have?

I’m CERTAINLY not saying that Jesse Kelly’s election, in and of itself, would turn Tucson into an economic boomtown. It wouldn’t. What it WOULD do is send a message that many Tucsonans want to be friendly to business, and see our local economy grow and diversify. That many of us DON’T see businesses as a cash cow to be milked, then abused.

Lots of businesses are leaving states that punish success with high taxes, excessive regulation and bloated bureaucracies. (Look no further than California). They’re looking for new homes in communities that want to partner with business, not squeeze it. Most of them are heading for Texas—-which, as a result, is flourishing.

THIS is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for Tucson. Take advantage of the golden opportunity created by the ever-increasing number of businesses who’re fleeing the Golden State. Give them some reasons to settle here!

THIS is the kind of enthusiastic, pointed, un-caveated, non-wishy-washy, pro-business and pro-free market message that those wealth-creators want to hear from southern Arizona, as they look for a new place to set up shop:

The recent economic crisis must be a wake-up call for the US Government to end its incessant spending and regulatory vice-grip over the economy. Only free markets and the entrepreneurial spirit can save America, not the heavy hand of government. Rebuilding our economy is the moral challenge of our time, and good paying jobs lay the foundation for American greatness.

Restoring our economy begins with getting Washington out of the way and inviting businesses back to American soil. For too long, politicians in Washington implemented big-government policies that pushed businesses overseas. It’s time we bring them back with open arms. We must stop punishing success and work to reduce personal income taxes, investment taxes and business-ownership taxes. The tax and spend mentality that controls Washington will bring about the collapse of the US economy and we need to stop this Administration in the upcoming elections.

The $787 billion stimulus has failed, and unemployment in Southern Arizona has increased. The people of the United States are realizing that government cannot create jobs, as government has no resources of its own. Only the private sector can create jobs and better our standard of living through production and innovation.

Let’s give those businesses a reason to take a second look at Tucson. By electing Jesse Kelly, we can send a message that Tucson is ready to change its anti-business image and get back on track. That we, as a community, really DON’T think—like too many of our elected leaders apparently do—that’s it’s up to them to determine what’s fair and who should succeed and who shouldn’t.

Now is the time to send that message, before those entrepreneurs who’ve given up on California find new homes, and we miss out on a great chance to lure new, meaningful economic opportunities to town.

Update: Investor’s Business Daily lists some of the states that are forcing capable, competent employers and entrepreneurs to run for their lives:

Many [Wisconsin residents] were flat-out offended and angered that the far-left flooded into their state to attempt to overturn the voice of the people. These voters, like the majority of the American people, are tired of being fooled or even fooling themselves. They look at the life-destroying economic collapses in Greece, Spain, Italy, Illinois, New York and California and now know exactly the cause and who is willingly spreading the disease.

When things have gotten SO bad, that your state’s government is being compared to the economic basket-cases of western Europe, it’s time to pack the moving vans and move to another state. On Tuesday, let’s send a message that at least some Tucsonans think that California sets an example that’s to be avoided, not emulated.

Update: Apparently California won’t be the only “blue” state shedding employers and entrepreneurs in the very, very near future: From the Cadillac of conservative/libertarian blogs, “Instapundit:”

ILLINOIS TEACHERS BEWARE: Your Pension System Is A Scam. “Specifically, the Illinois Teachers Retirement Fund is one of the country’s worst funded pension funds. According to accountants — who use softer methods to measure the health of public funds than they do of private pensions — teacher pensions in Illinois are only 45 percent funded — the fund is expected to be able to pay less than half the pensions Illinois politicians and union heads have been promising for years. . . . It is, in other words, a scam. Both the politicians and the unions want to fool people. They want teachers to think they have secure pensions and they want taxpayers to think that these big pension promises won’t cost them much money. Assuming unrealistic rates of return allows them to square the circle: they can promise big pensions without raising taxes to pay for them right away.”

When that pension bill comes due, who will Illinois politicians try to soak? You guessed it—capable businesses. Businesses that are capable of packing up and moving elsewhere.

Update: Some commenters just got banned. If you come to Fort Buckley solely to be a pain, then you won’t be coming here for long.

It’s not that I think you’re losers. You’re just not my kind of winners.



  • BajaDemocrats

    “Tucson has a reputation as a kooky, liberal, often-silly town”

    - Sorry you dislike our home so much – have you considered relocating? I hear Somalia is lovely this time of year, and it’s a Republican utopia – smaller. less government, in fact pretty much none at all. Low taxes, in fact pretty much none. No pesky government regulations for business – I can’t understand why businesses aren’t rushing in there.

    • fortbuckley

      I love Tucson, David.  That’s why I want to see it escape the clutches of your party.  But, if you feel the need to twist and mischaracterize what I say, go ahead.  It’s my gift to you, David.

      • BajaDemocrats

         Just quoted your exact words, no twisting needed. Tucson is essentially a college town and college towns tend to be liberal. See Berkley CA, Eugene OR, Boulder CO, Madison WI, etc. Educated people tend to be liberal. Funny, that. And there’s no room for liberals in the GOP.

        • fortbuckley

          Nice try, David.  CD 8 is MUCH MORE than Tucson—have you noticed?  (I suspect you don’t care about the rest of the district—typical liberal attitude, so I’m not surprised). No room for conservatives or moderates in the Democratic Party, either. 

        • fortbuckley

          David, if you’re going to twist someone’s words, be man enough to admit it.  I never said I disliked Tucson; YOU implied that I meant to say that.

          Typical Democrat gutlessness…

        • fortbuckley

          David, this comment of yours speaks volumes about Old Pueblo Democrats.  They think all of CD 8 exists to support Tucson liberals.  OK—thanks for placing yourself on record.

          • tunkashila

            Wow, three comments in less than 10 minutes.  Harry Truman’s maxim holds even today: toss a brick over the fence and the dogs that yelp are the ones that got hit.

            • fortbuckley

              tunk buddy!  You’re back!  Glad to see you.  Can you come up with any original thoughts?  Words of your own? 

              Or, are you just going to reply by telling me that you’re going to fight the GOP.  Let me guess—you shall fight it on the seas and the oceans, you shall fight it on the beaches, on the landing grounds, in the hills and the fields and the streets, and you’ll never surrender!

              Something like that, tunk ol’ buddy?

              • fortbuckley

                Oh, I’m sorry—you’re a Democrat, so I need to explain that.

                tunk, those are the words of Winston Churchill, someone who would never, EVER, be confused for a modern day Democrat.

                • tunkashila

                  Oh, I got the reference, thanks.  And I’ve crafted plenty of original words thus far to vex you; I just figured I’d let someone else’s do it for once.  Seems to have worked, too. :)

                  It’s pointless fighting the GOP, by the way-they’re doing far too good of a job of it themselves. Wolves may well consume their young, but they are not (as yet) known to call them socialists while doing so.

                  • fortbuckley

                    Oh yes, tunk, I am so vexed!  Sadness, heavy sigh…

          • BajaDemocrats

             I guess you’ll be surprised then to learn that there’s liberals out here in Cochise county as well.

            • fortbuckley

              Not surprised at all—there are pockets of foolishness all over the place.  They do tend to be clustered in liberal areas, though. 

              IMO, of course  

              • fortbuckley

                Hmmm….let me extend those remarks.  Liberals are OK…as long as they’re not in positions of power, or with any meaningful control over public monies.

                • MyFoldingBike

                  Liberals are never ok.  There is very little government does that private industry could not do better.  Stop into the PO and look at the greeting you get from a PO clerk, who clearly is just trying to get thru the day.  Then stop into the Apple shop and see the difference and the excitement. 

                  Jobs of Apple took manufacturing to China for a reason.  They’ll work for .75/hr. And, along w/that this country will have better products and we won’t need to create schools to employ the workers.  We won’t have to fund their pension, we won’t need to deal with the pollution, we won’t need to deal w/the crime, we won’t have to build slum cities.  Keep manufacturing in China and India.  Leave this country for the service industries.

                  And for the liberals who think Europe is better … did you notice, they didn’t create Amazon, E-Bay, Apple, Microsoft either.  That’s b/c they have even more regulation than we.  And, they desperately wanted to keep manufacturing going which they did.  However, their GDP is much lower than ours and if you read the paper you’ll notice that a large number of countries in the Euro zone are in a heap of trouble.  Gov’t took innovation out of their economy, they cut the working hours in order to beef up employment (it was a trade) and they have tired old employees who don’t even reproduce but they want their handouts.  NO! NO! NO! … Just say no to liberals.  Anybody BUT Obama!  I suggest over the next 20 yrs, you watch AZ as a republican state improve and grow, and Ca will likely go the way of Greece.

            • MyFoldingBike

              I’m not surprised.  It seems there are liberals everywhere. BD, have you studied any Cdn history?  IE:  Quebec in the 1970′s.  They threatened to leave Canada, just as you threaten to leave AZ.  Since business couldn’t figure out if they would or would not, business made the prudent decision to leave Quebec for a better business climate.  They relocated to Ontario, other provinces and to the US where taxes were lower and the gov’t was stable.  Quebec soon learned that they couldn’t feed the kids when there were no jobs.  Is that what you want for me and my family?  How do you propose enticing business?  Hey we have a great business proposal for Amazon.com in Baja AZ which includes high taxes.  You name it, we regulate everything. Years later, oh lookie, lookie, lookie … you can’t repair the roads, you can’t fund the schools, you can’t staff the hospitals b/c there is NO business to support any of those things.  No thanks.  I’ll do my best to find a state where I pay the lowest taxes, so that I can spend my money when and if I want.  That’s how I grow the economy.  One bike at a time.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/S7ZYRCMZ4QLJQCD4UPI5DF3FXY total chaos

    Jesse Kelly is nothing but an empty suit with no education,no life experience except working in Daddy’s company who is and will be parrotting position papers from lobbiests without the background to question them himself. And ,who the hell is “Don” and what is his background.

    • fortbuckley

      Love the name—”total chaos/”  If someone with that screen name can’t stand Jesse Kelly…well, as the old saying goes, sometimes you wear your opponents as a badge of honor.

      • brenro

         Tell me buckley, does it pay well to be a republican shill on these blogs? You’ve had a counterpoint to every negative Kelly post yet you have nothing of substance to contribute. You could easily fit right in with the obstructionists in congress.

        • fortbuckley

          brenro, I rake in huge sums from Halliburton, the Koch brothers and their lackeys at Gannet Corporation.  Unfortunately, my wealth does nothing to mitigate the sadness that grips my soul…a sadness stemming from my failure to live up to your expectations.

  • Bill Pier

     WHAT?!  Kelly is yet another white rich Republican who represents nobody BUT his “kind”.
    Kelly’s family business benefited directly WITH the so-called Federal “stimulus” funds — documented and reported previously. 
    He certainly could never represent me as he hasn’t a clue about hard-working Tucsonans!  Furthermore, every time he speaks about any issue it’s clear he hasn’t a clue about the truth or details.  I’d bet he’s never even listened to an NPR news report.

    • fortbuckley

      “I’d bet he never even listened to an NPR news report.” 

      Bill, are you related to Pauline Kael?  Do you have a faceless cartoon daughter named Julia?  Do you even know what I’m talking about?

      A classic liberal has decided that a former Marine and construction company manager doesn’t have a clue about “hard-working Tucsonans.”  I admire the sheer brazenness, self-absorption and arrogance in your commment, Bill Pier.  Pauline Kael would be proud.

  • azjustin

    Oh simple minded Tucsonans, lend me your ears:

    It is no secret that Tucson is a not business friendly place.  We have seen this time and time again, from watching small business start ups drop like a stone, to companies like Raytheon moving their business elsewhere, Tucson is slowly but surely wasting away.

    What most people don’t truly understand is the tax revenue that all businesses bring to the local and state governments.  Without this tax revenue we would be unable to build things such as: medians, bike lanes, unfunded downtown projects that will never finish…..

    What will happen?  Potholes, crime, extended EMS response time, local police unable to respond to small violations, and my personal favorite: endless complaining from the people who discourage a business friendly environment.

    And after all that happens, you fools will be looking around and wondering why everything is the way it is.  All the while your taxes will be going up and up, and up, and even up some more, to compensate for all those horrible businesses you chose to drive away.

    Good luck.

    • MyFoldingBike

      There isn’t a Republican or Libertarian
      who would argue with you; we need medians, roads, schools etc.  Have you
      ever thought about thinking outside the box?  Why does my money need to go
      directly to any of those things?  Couldn’t a private organization do it
      better and cheaper?  The trouble w/government funded roads etc is that
      they do a poor job of choosing the best, most competitive pkg and by that I
      don’t mean of choosing the cheapest.  Even gov’t must follow their own
      regulations, which get in their way just as the regulations get in the way of
      private business.  Of the trillions we owe, almost 2 trillion dollars goes
      to pay for regulation, which in most cases is not necessary.

      For instance, let’s pretend that YOU own a business worth $100,000 and I am your
      competitor and my business is worth $100,000K.  Let’s say that thru your
      mismanagement, you lose approximately 30% of your business.  The gov’t
      takes a hard look and slaps you around a bit and then says, b/c you made the
      error, I’m going make sure you follow regulations and as the gov’t I’ll also
      force your competitor to follow regulations too.  I think “you”
      are bright enough to figure out what you did wrong, and you’ll take the
      necessary steps to correct the situation w/out having the gov’t step in to
      punish us both.  After all, why would you
      want to lose 30% of your business a second time?

       

      Smaller gov’t is always better.  Did our gov’t build Amazon, E-Bay, Cisco,
      Microsoft, Apple, Facebook or Google? 
      No, but they did put plenty of obstacles in their way and in-spite of
      that, they survived and prospered.  The
      big question is how many other innovators could not get thru the
      regulations?  How many more people would
      be employed if they had?  Could the gov’t
      ever have built any of the companies I listed? 
      No!  Why not?  Our gov’t hires middle of the road, average
      folks who have no incentive to do anything but get thru the day.  Innovators work around the clock.  Anything they earn pays for itself, b/c they
      are the ones who have enhanced my life and employed thousands.  You don’t need to fear the rich instead
      embrace them. If not for them, and their innovative ideas, this country would
      not be where it is today.

       

      Whether or not Jesse Kelly is an ideal candidate
      or not, he represents the party that most understands, this country will not
      progress unless we reduce the size of government and encourage innovation.

  • donnielatte

    Jesse Kelly is no less kooky than Grijalva! He’s actually exceptionally creepy to the point I wouldn’t want him around my kids without armed supervision.

    In other realities: this election won’t have any impact on anything. How much brain damage do you have to have suffered to think that a first time representative can make any kind of a difference in a truncated congressional session whose only puprose is to introduce legislation that nobody wants passed just so one party can point to the other and sling insults like: Republicans don’t want equal pay for women or Democrats don’t want to balance the budget. Answer: a lot.

    Also, can you pinpoint for me when exactly (date or event would be fine) when elected federal representatives were instrumental in shaping local policy? Why I remember just the other day seeing Jon Kyl at the Pima County Board of Supervisors taking the floor and dictating, on the authority of D.C. (his words) sweeping changes to the Comprehensive PLan. I can agree that Tucson and Pima County are not business friendly but: 1. prostitution is still illegal in this state and 2. THE CD8 ELECTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS AND NEVER WILL.

    Thanks for a useless conflamtory nothing, Don.

    • donnielatte

      Oh, just for the record, your facts are wrong. Unemployment is down from 8.6% and climbing in February 2009 when the stimulus was passed to 8.2% and falling in April of 2012, which represents the most recent published data.

      While I will hear arguments that the stimulus failed (I know this argument is premised upon the promise the unemployment rate would not fall below 8% but, as we all remember, the stimulus wasn’t passed by the feet dragging congress until after unemployment exceeded 8% – perhaps the Republican Party should then be blamed for the obstructionist policies delaying the stimulus) as I will listen to arguements that it created 760 jobs in Pima County http://www.azdot.gov/recovery/, which are real jobs that have resulted in the betterment of Southern Arizona – just like the ones that Rosemont Copper will bring in similar numbers whilst polluting our groundwater (when has a mining operation ever failed to pollute?).

      Be a man and not a schill, Don.

      • donnielatte

        Also. Why are azjustinsmail and my avitars a picture of Methusela and that mendacious carnival barker, Breitbart?

        • fortbuckley

           Because that’s the way I want it to be. 

      • fortbuckley

        If you think the unemployment rate is dropping, it’s because millions of Americans have given up hope and quit looking for work.  Look it up.

        As for my not measuring up to your definition of manhood—well, anyone who willingly goes by the name of “donnielatte” isn’t in any position to opine on ANYONE’s manhood.  (Are you a refugee from “The Sopranos?”)

        I’ll agree that the winner of Tuesday’s election won’t have much influence on Congressional policy over the next few months.  Good thing that wasn’t the thesis of my article! That thesis was:  electing Jesse Kelly will send a sign that Tucson is serious about attracting good businesses. 

      • fortbuckley

        According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, there were 2,860,517 people employed in Arizona in February 2009, the month the stimulus—excuse me, “Porkulus,” was signed.  This part March—2,751,576. 

        Do some simple math, and Arizona is down 100K jobs since Porkulus went into effect.

      • MyFoldingBike

        I, for one, think you’ve looked at skewed information.  If you look at statistics for Canada (led by Prime Minister Stephen Harper, a conservative) and Germany, you will note that both were in basically the same position as the US when we entered the recession.  Both have recovered faster than the US without the benefit of any stimulus.  That alone should cause you to question the stimulus.

        While Obama has worked hard to convince you this recession was almost as great as the Great Depression, he’s intentionally misleading you.  The recession Reagan pulled us out of was similar.  He pulled us out at the start of the recovery.  We’re well into the recovery now, and Obama hasn’t done much except give manipulating speeches you fall for.  He’s great at campaigning but not much of a President.

        I wouldn’t be worried about Rosemont polluting the  groundwater. They know what they need to do to clean it up and/or keep it clean from the get-go.  They don’t need the bad publicity or the law-suits and you liberals have ensured that there are enough regulations in place to protect the public (unnecessarily) from the water becoming polluted.  Do you want jobs or not?

        • tunkashila

          Sir, you couldn’t buy a clue if someone handed you the money and pointed you to the cashier.  If you think this is truly  a “recovery”, then I challenge you, as an individual, to attempt securing a small business loan from any local financial institution at a non-usurous rate.  I won’t be holding my breath. Also, your revisionist history doesn’t bode well for the rest of your argument: Reagan’s policies put this country in a deeper hole until he listened to voices of reason like David Stockman and reversed the majority of his decisions. He was more of a Keynesian than conservatives like yourself will ever admit.

          Finally, if you think Rosemont gives anything remotely resembling a damn for what others think of them and their actions, you’re delirious.  Their deep pockets can effectively stave off any lawsuits filed against them, so any regulation passed is a joke.  They will suck the Sonoita aquifer dry, leave behind mercury contamination for the next three generations and laugh at any legal actions, and all for a few hundred jobs that’ll eventually kill the people that live there along with the land they live on over the next 20-30 years.  If you think that’s a fair trade, I know a broker named Madoff you should talk with…

          • MyFoldingBike

            I am not the decider of whether we are in a recession or a recovery.  That is decided by statistics, something of which you likely don’t know much about.  If you listen to your King, Obama he readily admits we’re in a “recovery” and his policies aren’t working. The banks don’t want to participate.  Nor would I.  Banks under King Obama are required to reduce the amount of mortgages on properties they did not buy. They have been told to take the hit, when banks were forced to lend to people who could not qualify for a mortgage, all thanks to Barney Frank, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac.  If you were a bank would you be willing to loan?  What if the economy collapses the next time?  Will King Obama tell the banks “sorry buds, you need to drop the value of your loan again and pass the customer the break”.  Banks need to be able to trust government and this is a government they cannot trust.

            You’ve got some nice little cliches you’ve thrown around, but no substance. 

            • tunkashila

              “You’ve got some nice little cliches you’ve thrown around, but no substance”…said the pimple to the boil.  “King” Obama?  Not my king, sir, nor even my president, despite your futile exercise in jumping to conclusions. Banks need to be able to trust the government?  How about the other way around-it’s the banks who knowingly made bad loans to high-risk customers, bundled them into tranche investments, sold said investments to multiple brokerage houses and gullible portfolio managers and then insured them through CDOs, knowing they were going to fail.  In the sane, moral part of the universe, that’s known as fraud, or used to be before the banksters and their congressional cronies repealed the Glass/Steagal provisions against banks also being investment firms.

              These same scam artists, after crashing the economy into the wall, then used their former employees like Henry Paulsen and Tim Geithner, who knew about the scam themselves, to get unlimited, interest free loans for themselves and their friends through their influence in govt.  A not inconsiderable influence, considering they were/are the secretaries of the Treasury.  Banks have no one but themselves to blame for their current predicament and lack of trust from anybody, much less the govt.  “King Obama” is complicit in this through his lack of action against these thieves and you’re too blinded by partisan myths to perceive that fact.

              P.S. – I notice you were unable to answer any of the points I made about Reagan’s policies vs. recession or the Rosemont pit either.

              • MyFoldingBike

                Ahhh, you are a smart one aren’t you.  Let’s see, the banks loan 100% of a mortgage.  The buyer invests nothing.  The buyer was income qualified to buy the property, but he walks away when the value of his homes drops.  Has the buyer lost anything?  Nada.  Has the bank lost anything?  You betcha.  All the risk was w/the bank, it was they who had something to lose.  The buyer goes across the street and rents for less than his mortgage payment.  Tell me how he lost anything?  And, if he was in the house early enough, he might have refinanced to take cash out.  45% of those who were foreclosed on did exactly that.  So they got a car, and a boat and new carpet out of the deal.  Doesn’t sound to me like the buyer lost anything except is now stung w/a lousy credit rating b/c he let the property go back to the bank.  No, banks should not blame themselves.  They were pressured by Frank, Clinton, Fannie and Freddie to make loans of 100% or greater.  

                I made my point about Rosemont Copper.  They can and will employee people.  You may think of it as a few jobs, but when jobs are hard to come by, I think any job is worthwhile.  Particularly since I’ve experienced the restrictions in the mining industry and the lengths they go to to reclaim the land.  I am not worried about them, but I do worry about parasites like you.

                You’ll need to make the point about Reagan again.  Obviously I overlooked that rant.  Within months of taking office, Reagan turned the economy around.  Unemployment began to drop.  By the end of his first term, people forgot there was ever a recession.  King Obama won’t be able to ever turn the economy around when he follows Keynesian economics promoted by Krugman, your prince.  NYT’s loves him when he can capture the attention of peabrains and sell nsps.  However, any good macroeconomics economist recognizes that a stimulus won’t work, and since King Obama has tried almost a trillion dollars worth of stimulus you ought to be able to see, that he’s robbed you of money and put very little back into the economy.  Let us not forget Krugman consulted for Enron and he’s just about brought this economy to the same fate as that corporation.

                Now either show some intelligence or I’ll ignore your rants.

                • tunkashila

                  Incredible how many lies can be crammed into one post.  “…banks loan 100% of a mortgage”?  Hmm, I guess all this stuff about down payments being required is just utter hooey. 

                  “The buyer was income qualified to buy the property, but he walks away when the value of his homes drops.”  Some do that, but the majority walk away after losing their jobs and/or health and burning through their savings.  Either that or they can no longer afford the payments after missing a few and the monthly amounts going through the roof. 

                  “Has the bank lost anything?”  No, because not only do they get the property back, they have also invested in the same CDOs that pay off when their bad loans fail, so they profit doubly.  You also make a great deal of assumptions about refinancing and people’s bad purchasing decisions-not all pegs fit the same hole.  Finally, banks were “pressured” to make loans in the sense that Brer Fox was pressured to throw Brer Rabbit into the briar patch.  The banks wanted to make the bad loans because they knew they couldn’t lose. 

                  Rosemont Copper-you think a few hundred jobs for perhaps a generation are worth the despoiling of the environment; I disagree.  I have worked in the mining industry and witnessed its depredations firsthand.  I am unsure how this makes me a parasite, but since you’ve been reduced to calling names you’ve long since lost the argument.

                  And as regards your king, Ronald Reagan, you are conveniently forgetting the recessionary plunge from mid-1981 to late 1982 as a direct result of his policies.  David Stockman and Paul Krugman are cut from the same cloth, but the world has become aware of the Federal Reserve scam, so the Keynesian finger in the dike no longer works now the way it did for Reagan, Clinton and Bush, much less Roosevelt.  Stimulus packages are just corporate welfare, the people who made the bad decisions privately being rewarded by bailouts with public money.  Do you agree? If not, then you have no right to point the finger at Obama when Republican presidents (Reagan and both Bushes) did the same thing.

                  You wouldn’t recognize intellect, so you’ll dismiss my truths as a rant to preserve your ignorance.  Enjoy!

                  • MyFoldingBike

                    LOL!

                    • tunkashila

                      I bet you were up all night crafting that riposte’, too…way to answer my points!

                    • MyFoldingBike

                      You failed to make any points.  You don’t understand mortgages, you don’t understand banking, you don’t understand mining and you don’t understand politics.  Arguing w/you is like arguing with a rock!  You chose a great handle.

                      There is nothing good that comes from the kindness of liberals who deny people work.  While the mine may not employee enough people to satisfy YOU, it will bring a lot of income to the community.  It’s not just the employees who work at the mine, it’s the food caterers and many service companies who provide services to it.  The mine would feed lots of children.  

                      Mining companies have regulations they follow. They don’t need you to act as their nanny to make sure everything is done as it should be done. There are enough government watch-dogs overseeing their work so they don’t need liberals interfering.  The water will be fine, even years from now.  You just need to relax and know that they have it under control.  Sure there are risks, but this country can not progress w/out risk.  We need copper and we need it as cheaply as possible.  I’ve watched gold mining companies disappear from the US to head overseas due to impossible regulation here.  Do we want the mining industry or not?  If it’s cheaper to mine overseas then I’m fine w/mining companies taking their business elsewhere.  However, I’m not fine w/liberals pushing their weight around to make it impossible for any corporation to do business in the US. It’s unfortunate that a small number of people like you have successfully interfered and cost people hundreds of thousands of jobs.

                      So let me make myself clear.  This is my last comment on this blog.  I do not intend to lose my life to “blogs”.  I have better things to do, than waste my time trying to temper someone who interferes w/something he knows nothing about.  

                    • tunkashila

                      You’re a fine one to talk about understanding.  The mine would feed families and children…for about 30 years until the ore body is gone, along with the aquifer and the quality of life in a once-beautiful place.  What is it about long-term loss vs. short-term gain that you are unable to grasp? 

                      Preserving the environment is not a liberal vs. conservative issue, it is one of right vs. wrong.  If mining companies had heretofore followed the laws of right and wrong as opposed to profit and loss, there would be no need for regulations and oversight, would there?  The regulations and agencies don’t make it impossible to do business here, merely less profitable, which just chafes those poor corporations’ behinds to no end.  And yours too, it seems. 

                      Have people like myself “interfered” and cost jobs for miners?  Yes, undoubtedly.  And we have preserved wild, open spaces for wildlife and future generations to utilize at the same time; I think that’s a fair trade, even if it does cost me a few extra cents a pound on raw metals. 

                      I’m glad it was your last post.  Go forth and try tempering others who lack the knowledge and skills to slap down your silly arguments.

                    • MyFoldingBike

                      Aren’t you a wonderful person.  I’m so glad you can pat yourself on your back b/c I certainly won’t. Hooray, Hooray the great rock god Tunkashila will solve all our problems by starving children and he’s willing to pay a few extra cents on raw metals.  

                      Except it’s not a few extra cents, that’s a delusion … your delusion.  It costs Americans $2 Trillion dollars of their taxes to pay for the regulations you insist we need and yet you know not what you do.  Who knows how much better off the poor could be, and how much wilderness we might be able to establish if people like you would not insist on “protecting” and standing in our way. If money is not going to regulations, where does it go?  Innovations and who knows what our geniuses could create to solve problems.  Yet you insist on blocking them.  How in your feeble mind is “less profitable” better for anyone?

                      Don’t you have a job Tunkashila or is it your little slot in life to be a nuisance, pest and parasite?

                    • MyFoldingBike

                      One more thing.  You obviously have never been to a mining site that has been restored after the corporation left.  I’d rather make sure there are jobs today and feed families and then enjoy the wilderness they’ve restored thru out the process and after they left.  There are plenty of wilderness areas thru out the US.  Fewer regulations and more profit for the mining corporation allows them to do things like restoration. In the meantime, children are fed and they have schools and shoes on their feet.  Have you visited Rosemont to see how they intend to leave the site?  Have you met with them and asked them what they intend to contribute to the community?  Or can I assume you make decisions without all the facts?  I’m betting they have some sort of community liaison officer who can come down to your level to help you understand.

                      For you it’s screw everyone b/c you’re willing to pay a few extra (NOT) pennies on raw metals.  Does anyone else get to contribute to the decision?  You sure don’t mind spending my money on worthless crap!  I for one would like to see it spent in ways that would BENEFIT the community.  No run along and find another corporation to protest … find a way to occupy whatever.  It’s obvious you don’t know how to contribute to society so you just run along and make as much noise as you can.

          • MyFoldingBike

            I’d like to make another comment.  Lets say you own the Bank of Tunkashila.  You’re starting out small and you have $100,000 to lend. A homebuyer needs a 100% mortgage on a new home of $75,000.  You agree to loan him the full value of the home $75,000.  Who is taking the risk?  The homeowner or the Bank of Tunkashila?  The economy collapses, but you still expect to get your $75,000 + interest back.  Unfortunately, the buyer who qualified for the mortgage, knows his home is now worth only $50K so he decides to walk away.  You have a distressed property you need to sell, and luckily for you the next buyer is willing to pay $35,000.  So now, not only will you not collect any profit, b/c you loaned 100% you have a loss of $35K + all the BofTunk overhead.  So far at least you have $65K remaining of the original $100K.  So you look around and find another borrower and do the same thing.  This time the economy collapses and King Obama wants to keep the buyer in the house so he insists you write down the new $65K mortgage (because remember you no longer have the $75K) to a paltry $50K to give the buyer a break on his mortgage payment.  Nice deal for the buyer, in both cases.  These are 2 examples of what’s happened over the past several years.  Now as a bank, Obama comes back to you and says “Hey, find an investor and then lend whatever you can dig up”… but now you’re dubious b/c you’ve lost so much. Do you feel banks can continue to lose money in this fashion and stay in business?  I for one would get out of banking ASAP than risk my money under an Obama government.  And, tell me now, how the economy can grow when the banks are dubious about lending?  Vote for Obama, and this continues.  Vote for the Republican candidate and hopefully this trend will be broken.

            • tunkashila

              Nice deal for the buyer-what universe do you occupy?  They remain yoked to paying off their still-underwater houses at usurious interest rates to companies that have actively ripped them off in many cases. If you honestly think that’s a fair deal, I hope you avoid playing cards. Much less buy a house. 

              “Now as a bank, Obama comes back and says to you…”  I think you’re seriously confused about the powers of the executive branch-it’s congress who must enact legislation to compel any action on the part of the banks.  Has this happened before?  Yes, after much lobbying by the banks…on behalf of such loan laws, because they opened Pandora’s box and enabled the banks to bet against the loans they knew would be bad in the first place through CDOs and profit no matter the outcome. 

              Vote for Romney, vote for Obama…hell, vote for Obamney and it’ll be the exact same result.  The banks and Wall Street win in either case because they contribute heavily to both campaigns, resulting in zero prosecutions of the criminals at the top who made the illegal calls in the first place.

              • MyFoldingBike

                I agree Romney might not be as strong as I want.  Regardless, he is on the team that advocates lower taxes and spending.  It’s his team I’ll be more concerned with.  Let’s see who he brings in.

                In the meantime, put the bottle down so you can write w/some coherence.  Nite.

                • tunkashila

                  Big deal-Obama got elected by promising not just the hope and change b.s. but also tangible things like ending the wars, closing Gitmo, repealing the Patriot Act, etc.  And how many of those things has he delivered? 

                  Romney is no different-as he’s demonstrated countless times on the campaign trail, he’ll tell conservatives whatever they want to hear just like Obama did with liberals.  It doesn’t matter who’s on his team because they’re all status quo prostitutes…just like Obama.  If that’s not coherent enough for your limited comprehension, nothing I write ever will be.

    • fortbuckley

      My pleasure—glad I could make your day.  You certainly made mine, as yet another digital face of today’s Democrat.

      • donnielatte

        I’m always up for a spirited debate with an intellectual equal and was looking forward to a playful exchanging of barbs but, well, that was weak sauce. 

        Thanks for participating.

        • fortbuckley

          Aw, donnielatte, I let you down. I’ll try and fake some  sadness.

  • Fraser007

    Business are skipping over us and going to Texas. Don’t forget Tucson is all for (except the Foothills where the Republicans live) open borders. Reform Immigration is another liberal buzzword. Our school system sucks and the crime rate is way too high for our size. I will give you three guesses why that is and the first two don’t count.

  • joedoggy

    Oh, yeah, I forgot.  Jesse Kelly, he’s one of the “job creators”.  Pretty sad that people really believe your Bullcrap.  Walkup was a Republican.  And you really think that the leaders in tucson aren’t trying to attract quality businesses?  If your theory is correct, what about McCain and Kyl.  What have they done?

    • fortbuckley

      Well, joedoggy (I LOVE the screen names liberals choose for themselves!)—where to begin?  What a lovely stream-of-consciousness you had going there.

      Tucson has a weak mayor form of government, and liberal Democrats have dominated the City Council in the recent past. If you think Tucson is a “Republican” town, check your medications.

      McCain and Kyl are Arizona Senators.  They represent the whole state.  Members of the House of Representatives are SUPPOSED to be the advocates for, and representatives of, your local area in Washington.  IMO, if Tucson elects a Republican to be one of its representatives in Congress, that will be a good thing that sends a good message.

      I think the leaders in Tucson want to attract the businesses that THEY want to have in town.  Businesses like, trendy restaurants or chic boutiques.  Places that are nice to visit, but don’t do much to really grow the economy. 

      If they can’t find those kinds of “perfect” businesses, too many of our local leaders (cough cough City Council) appear quite willing to have little to no business growth at all. 

      The problem is—you can’t pick-and-choose what kind of business you want to come to town.  You have to be ready to accept the businesses that are willing to come here.  (There are exceptions to that—for example, I’m not inclined to support Rosemount Copper because I’m concerned about the water supply.)

      Nevertheless, in today’s economic downtimes, you can’t be too picky.  Our local leadership is too picky, and too willing to accept a downtrodden local economy until the “right” kinds of businesses come along.  

    • MyFoldingBike

      Actually, it’s Gov Brewers job to entice jobs to AZ.  McCain and Kyl need to represent the constituents in Washington.

      JoeDoggy I can’t help but think that you are likely one of those who wants energy supplied by solar.  Am I right?  Well I don’t. And, I don’t want liberals pushing their congresspeople into promoting solar or alternative health.  Both are equally crazy.  Take a hard look at Massachusetts, the leader in wind and solar technology.  Their electric rates are 3X’s mine.  Why?  All b/c liberals kept pushing solar and wind.  Okay, so it will pay for itself … 10 to 20 yrs out.  But how much will it cost to replace the old equipment and how much energy is used to produce the equipment?  It keeps us going backwards.  I like fossil fuels.  I want natural gas.  I see no reason to assume that the consensus of scientists are right in their opinion of global warming.  If I need to agree b/c they are a consensus and it seems that’s what liberals argue, then we all should agree there’s a christian god b/c there’s a consensus that believes that.  In the 1500′s or whenever, there was a consensus that the world was flat … I guess you’d be in that camp too.  Okay there is global warming.  Do we know what causes it?  NO!  So please don’t spend my money wastefully.  I don’t want to pay triple my electric bill and YOU keep pushing legislation that creates regulation and that costs ME money.  If you and other liberals want to pay more taxes, then do.  I need to keep my money b/c I have a future I want to enjoy.

  • Twixxler

    Sorry, but Tucson would do best to disassociate itself from
    the Republican fools up in Phoenix who’ve made our state fodder for late-nite
    jokes — and who are repelling business, tourism, and retirees with their
    nauseating antics. The best way to do that is by NOT electing more of the same. Bring us a free-thinking, reasonable Republican, befitting our town, and then we’ll talk. 
     

    • fortbuckley

      Twixxler, what makes you think that WE have any interest in talking to YOU? 

      • Twixxler

         Is that how you view your party? Dictators unwilling to dialogue? Sad.

        • fortbuckley

          Twixxler, we don’t waste time dialoguing with the feeble-minded.  Have you tried Daily Kos?

          • Twixxler

            Are there no qualifications for having a blog on The Citizen?

            • fortbuckley

              I’m starting to think that you got rejected by the Daily Kos.  That would be quite a feat, indeed.

  • fortbuckley

    As of 9:45 PM on Saturday, I’ve added a few things to the blog post.  I’ve also banned a few commenters. If you come here primarily to be a pain, I have an antibiotic for that:  BlamStickacillin.

    It’s not that I think you’re losers.  You’re just not my kind of winners.

    • MyFoldingBike

      I’d let them rant and say what they want.  As I read thru your blog for the first time last night, it becomes apparent the liberals who responded are both naive and uninformed they.  And, w/this comment I’ll likely hear back “Hey I read the blogs and I read the Daily Red Star”.  You wrote a very compelling blog.  If I were you, I’d ignore the writers who are just trying to get to you.  Just don’t respond but let them write all they care to.  Too many of the blogs are getting out of control and deleting comments when the blog owner feels they’re offensive.  Keep up the great work!

      • fortbuckley

        MyFoldingBike, thanks for the kind words.  Rest assured, I plan to let the leftys have their say.  However, when it’s obvious that a lefty is here simply to be a pest, then it’s time to get out the bug spray.