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Psychiatrist Finds Faith Requires Self-Delusion!

by on Aug. 20, 2011, under Abortion, Biblical Inerrancy, Christian Self-Righteous Arrogance, Clarity, Conservatism vs. Liberalism, Creationism, Critical Thinking, Economics, Education, Ethics, Faith, Fundamentalism, God & Bible, Government, History, Islam, Mormonism, Power of Prayer, Reason, Religion, Sanity, Science, Separation of Church & State

Several days ago I mentioned here that I have started reading a small book I got from the Richard Dawkins Foundation entitled Why We Believe in god(s): A Concise Guide to the Science Of Faith. The author is J. Anderson Thomson, JR., MD.

Dawkins of course is the world’s best-known evolutionary biologist and author of the best-selling non-fiction: The God Delusion. Science has now validated some basic facts about why religious belief is almost universal among human societies.

Andy is a psychiatrist who spent a lot of time studying the psychology of suicide bombers. Religious belief is powerful. Throughout history believers have been willing to die for their religion. And to kill for it.

In this little book (116 pages + notes) Andy explains in laymen’s language the evolutionary basis for belief. Basically, if you can understand why we humans crave salt, sugar, and fats (fast foods, desserts, starchy food), you can understand how evolution has hardwired us to believe the unprovable.

I’m about half way through the book and came across this passage I thought you might find interesting. jg

The human ability for self-deception is crucial to religious belief. If many believers could see their own minds more clearly, they would see that self-deception plays a role in their acceptance of faith.

Maybe there are ONLY atheists in foxholes. If the faithful truly and fully believe in a protective deity, why would they dive into a foxhole to protect themselves from the bullets whizzing by? A part of their brains knows damn well that if they do not protect themselves, the bullets will hardly discriminate between those who claim faith and those who reject it. They may say and think they believe, but their instinctive actions expose the lie.

Why do the faithful buy health insurance? House insurance? Most people live their lives as if there is no god. We stop at red lights, we put our children in car seats, and we act responsibly to protect our safety and the safely of those we love.

If a person is religious, he is an atheist in relation to others’ gods and the gods of history. He also will almost invariably live as an atheist in relation to his own worshipped deity.

We expect others to live as atheists too. We want them to stop at red lights and not assume we drive under divine protection. We in the West have become so used to religious people NOT really, truly, and fully believing what they say they  believe that we are startled when, as on 9/11, we encounter people who really do believe their religion and put their beliefs into murderous practice.”

 

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  • Pacific Babe

    Gressinger since the moment I started reading this blog, I’ve asked christians to go stand in the middle of I-10 on a dark night and use their prayers to protect them from being hit.  I’ve asked them to put the legs back on the amputees instead of praying for me.  As far as I know not a single christian who’s read your blog has been willing to test their faith.  Their pathetic whiny jesus did, but they won’t.  I suppose they keep in mind his last words “My god, my god, why have you forsaken me?”  Jesus lived a life of delusion and christians as good followers are doing exactly the same.  It’s really a pathetic weak minded cult! Stupidity unites them all. Babe

    • Mike Brewer

      Stupid is as stupid does.  How endearing the humanists are, stuck in the solipsistic subjectivity of a permanent state of skepticism that NEEDS the transcendalist as a straw man for their feelings…that they call rational…because they say they are. I am reminded of the Ann Rand Objectiviist who maintains that everything is relative–since she maintained that contradictions do not exist –that is therefore a declarative statement and contradicts itself… Painful to think…. But then what Babe calls a cult…we call LOVE. That is an attribute that absorbs all contradictions and collapses all dialetical materialisitic thinking.   And it makes you smile.

  • BJ

    Nothing I’ve read in the Bible says you aren’t to use common sense and nothing says God will protect you from everything.  He gave us free will and we can do what we want.  I do not presume to know His will for me or anyone else.  I am not delusional and have never known a Christian who was.  I am really sorry for you people.  You seem to have no hope and nothing to look forward to.  Everything happens for a reason; most of the time we do not understand why until later.

    • Pacific Babe

      BJ you’re just kidding around aren’t you?  You don’t really believe what you’ve written?  If so, then YES, you are delusional and an idiot.
      Your bible has plenty of examples on the power of prayer, and yet in 2011 there is not one verifiable example of any prayer being answered.  Oh yes, there are plenty of anecdotal stories but no proof. Rick Perry prayed for rain in Texas and that didn’t work.  Texas is in a drought.
      You really think I don’t have hope?  Here’s what I hope for …. all disease to be eradicated, more schools built so that every child can have an education, more hospitals built and every person on this planet provided health care, I hope that men will stop believing in their mythical books and then they might stop beating women, I hope all women are given access to reproduction education, BC and abortions, I hope all wars will stop and I hope all people will learn to be accountable for themselves instead of praying for answers.  I hope every person has all the food and shelter they need.  Tell me one of the major religions that isn’t oppressive to women?  I’d like that to stop! When you and I die, we both end up  exactly the same … star dust.  If there is something else out there, I don’t need to worry about it now because whatever it is, it’s not as it was written in the bible which if you’ve read it, you know it is more about control than love.  You do realize BJ, that your bible was written by uneducated bronze age tribesmen who were likely doing a few hallucinagenic drugs and they had no access to science or technology?  Would you take advice from those people sitting around a campfire, drinking their wine/beer and smoking maryjane’s today?  I don’t think so.  In AD and BC surgeries were performed by exactly the same sorts of people who wrote the bible and those didn’t work out too well.  Would you want any surgery performed the same as it was done 2000 years ago?  Why is it that everything has advanced except religion?  There’s no proof of Adam and Eve, no proof of Moses, no proof of jesus, no proof of Noah’s Ark.  Every culture developed their own ideas of gods and most grew to give them up, but not you.   Why not?  Why do you BJ need a crutch when that crutch has been rotting at a very quick pace for the past two centuries?
       
      You also need to keep in mind the size of the universe.  There are some 300,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars (give or take a few zero) … 300 sextillion stars.  No, that doesn’t include planets or moons.  So where is your heaven in all of this?  Hubble hasn’t found it, but it has sent us back a few images of what the universe looks like.  No angels and no gods in spite of what you think in your delusional pea brain.
       
      This is a world where great benefit could be gained if all religionists would give up their delusions.  There’s a lot that needs to be accomplished.  A lot of lives would be saved, if the $400,000,000 dollars donated to churches in the US last year was instead used to benefit science or technology.  There would be little impact on society today if religion were to totally disappear.  On the other hand, we can’t live as we live today, if science and/or technology were to disappear.  Science doesn’t have all the answers but it does have answers.  When you look to the bible it’s nothing more than wishful thinking full of lots of contradictions and horrific acts.
       
      Nothing happens for any reason.  There are things beyond your control and things that aren’t.  More proof of your delusion when you think some god is trying to send you a message that there’s a reason.  Now get up and work in your garden, enjoy your grand children, play some music, go for a walk.  Know that nature is beautiful and enjoy this one life you have to live as best you can.  May the sky fairy bless you.  Babe
       
       

    • Jim Gressinger

      BJ. You wrote: “Everything happens for a reason; … ” No it doesn’t. If you had read the book, you would know that this ridiculous concept is just another example of self-delusion. READ THE BOOK. Or be considered on this blog intellectually lazy. It’s like the stupid saying: “What goes around come around.” A great many truly evil men die peacefully in their sleep. jg

  • plasmaphase

    Pacific Babe, I can only assume you’ve never actually read even half of the bible, as you show little understanding of it.  Maybe you should start by reading Matthew 4:7.  Also, last time I checked, God gave us immensely complex minds for which he expected us to use instead of allowing to perish by, “go stand in the middle of I-10 on a dark night.”

    • Pacific Babe

      Oh Plasmaphase you are so bright to point out the loophole that I overlooked!  Thank you, now I too am a believer.  Do you not think that your bronze age tribesmen in trying to control the public acted just like today’s lawyers … the more they learned, the more they added.  Isn’t that a DUH moment for you?  God didn’t give you a darn thing, your mind evolved.  As you interacted on a social level you learned more from those around you. Perhaps you are the christian who will tell me more about your god, because so far none have been willing to answer my questions.  How big is he, what does he where, where does he get his clothes, what does he eat, does he fish and hunt, does he have a nose ring and polish his toenails?
       
      Did you read Gressinger’s blog post?  Doesn’t that help you understand why you’re delusional?  Babe

    • Pacific Babe

      Plasmaphase: I need to ask you why you feel it’s important to read the bible?  I don’t see you or chrisians in general pushing other mythologies.  Whether I’ve read the entire book or not is totally irrelevant when existence is explained by the Theory of Evolution.  That’s important to understand the bible has no answers. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand the there’s something a little fishy with the opening sentence of the bible “In the beginning a god created the heavens and earth”.  I’d need to have some verification of that statement before going forward to read anymore. If you can provide it, it would be awesome!  Do you read the newspaper or listen to NPR?  If so you would have heard or read that Dennis Venema, a biologist at Trinity Western University (a leading evangelical on YOUR team) refers to the mapping of the human genome as one piece of Bible defying evidence.  Quoting from the article on NPR, “it’s clear that modern humans emerged from other primates as a large population — long before the Genesis time frame of a few thousand years ago.  And given the genetic variation of people today, he says scientists can’t get that population size below 10,000 people at any time in our evolutionary history.“* That means the whole Adam and Eve story is crap!  So is the Moses story and Noah’s Ark.  Not to forget the story of Abraham, and the giants and the men who lived to be 900 yrs old … was it Enoch?  Got that wrong it was Methuselah.  Jesus may or may not have existed, we don’t know for sure.  If he did exist he was a problem and I’m sorry PP didn’t choose to rid the world of him earlier.  Paul no doubt in writing about him 30-60 yrs later embellished the story.  And, anthropologists are certain that there were plenty of resurrections at the time Paul started writing, just as during the celebration of the Day of the Dead in Mexico when families conjure up their dead for a couple of nights of playing cards, music and dance.  We also know many women claimed to be virgins when they learned they were pregnant (BC & AD).  Hormones cause young people to participate in risky behavior and there are consequences.  Shame has always caused young people to lie.  So Plasmaphase I think the real question is have you really READ the bible.  Most who do want nothing to do with religion.  You on the other hand likely stick with a few verses you use to rationalize your position.  Grow up, there is no sky fairy and you won’t have to dance in heaven with all those criminals who are now stellar born-again christians.
       
      * If you want to learn more, do a search on population genetics.  Babe

      • Martin M

        Babe, an excellent set of responses. Keep up the good work.
        Incidentally plasmaphase,  I HAVE read the bible. Martin M

  • Pacific Babe

    Excuse me, I meant what does your god “wear”.

  • Don Lacey (AZAtheist)

    I’ve seen J. Anderson Thompson at the American Atheist convention. Did you know that he got the whole group to sing “Amazing Grace” to prove a point? He’s studied the reason that people believe in gods and the reason the churches do the things that they do.
    What a great verse, Plasmaphase!
     
    Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.
     
    Here’s one for you:
     
    1 Thessalonians 5:21

    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
     
    What’s it gonna be? Test everything except for god claims? What part of ALL do you not understand?
     
    I read your book. I was not impressed.

  • Mike Brewer

    God is Love. That is it.That is all of IT! The rest on the inane confabulations and intellectual parlor games are a sideshow.  All of life is teleological. Prove to me “subjectivity.” You cannot. Is that an ipso post facto definitive conclusion that subjectivity does not exist? No, it is too subjective to prove.  Love is a metaphysical phenomena and transcends rational linear thought. Prove to me that rationality is the only paradigm for grasping reality. You cannot. So pooey. Have fun and some us  will just continue with our insufferable, irrational, intractable, self delusional JOY and Peace that surpasses all understanding…..without the wimpy need for proof. Proof is for the weak!

    • Pacific Babe

      No Mike, proof is for the rational.  No one is telling you you can’t believe. If you make a claim there is a god then you need to prove it.  Why do you need a god for love?  That’s about the most absurd statement that’s been made in all these posts.  Totally crazy.  If god is love, why does he hate the GLBT community so much?  Why is he okay with stoning women, children and gays?  Why did he promote slavery?  Really is that what you call love?  Shame on you!  You’re irrational and delusional.  Babe

      • Mike Brewer

        Free will.  I suppose that is delusional too. One thing I have learned is that you folks are dead serious.  I kinda like the delusional ones.

      • Mike Brewer

        Answer the questions before pontificating…you know the attribute you all despise?

    • Don Lacey (AZAtheist)

      Mike, your god is “Love” and that’s all of it. That’s great! That’s great because that god doesn’t have an opinion on abortion, or science, or the women’s place in society. If everyone believed in that god, there would be no reason for Atheists to come together to form communities to protect themselves from the righteous religious folks. Have your self delusional JOY and Peace but keep it to yourself or at least don’t use beliefs as a weapon against those that don’t agree with you.

      • Mike Brewer

        Were you guys born angry?

    • Jim Gressinger

      Mike Brewer. You wrote: “Proof is for the weak!” Thank you, sir. The single most insightful statement of the faithful’s mindset I have ever read. However, “proof” is for adults. Faith is for young children who believe in fairy tales and irresponsible adults.  Faith is for the willfully ignorant. Faith is for the intellectually lazy. Faith is for the superstitious. Faith is not for me. jg

      • Mike Brewer

        Read Albert Einstein’s concept of faith….but then I guess he was intellectually lazy too by the standards of this very intractably angry group of homo sapiens sans hope. Ooops I cannot prove hope. Crap, I will just go join a group who slams it all. Then I will have friends..without hope or faith of course…but then how will I know they are real friends?

        • Jim Gressinger

          Mike Brewer. You wrote: “Ooops I cannot prove hope. Crap, I will just go join a group who slams it all.” In the future, please try to make sense. jg

          • Mike Brewer

            Funny, your readers got it! Indicated by private emails.

  • 2Cool

    I love to watch atheists pound the living daylights out of christians.

    • jd

      I know what you mean, but to be fair it is just like shooting fish in a barrel isn’t it. If there was just one intelligent christian with one intelligent argument, it would make things a little more interesting, but I fear I’ won’t live long enough to witness such a thing.

      • Pacific Babe

        Exactly JD.  If christians could reason there would be no christians.  I hear the same things from them over and over again, and yet I’m convinced we all need to continue to do what we can to make them realize how idiotic their ideas are.  They are a huge anchor to society and we need to get that up if we are to advance.  Have a great day.  Babe

    • Jim Gressinger

      2Cool. You wrote: “I love to watch atheists pound the living daylights out of christians.” Sadist. jg

      • 2Cool

        :-)

    • Mike Brewer

      And what would the prize be?

  • Har Davids

    The fact that the pope uses an armoured car says it all. If there’s one christian who should have divine protection, then it’s Mr. Ratzinger.

  • Aloha Marc

    Well Ty all for this enjoyable experience. A friend posted this on fb and this is a topic I enjoy to debate. I was raised in the christain faith BUT I am 100% atheist now. I agree with about 95% of what you say Babe but I don’t agree with the evolution part. Still everyone has a rite to their own beliefs, even the controlling, manipulating, egotistical christains… I look forward to reading more… AM

  • Mike Brewer

    Why do you all need an Organization?

    • Jim Gressinger

      Mike Brewer. You wrote: “Why do you all need an Organization?” What pray tell are you referring to? jg

      • Mike Brewer

        Your National organization of Atheists. Why do you need each other?