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No Hell Below Us!

by on Oct. 10, 2011, under Armageddon, Biblical Inerrancy, Christian Self-Righteous Arrogance, Christianity, Clarity, Critical Thinking, Ethics, Faith, Fundamentalism, God & Bible, Logic, Reason, Religion, Sanity, Willful Ignorance

 

This article comes to us from Cal Benjamin

In any public statement on the subject of religion, this author insists on restating the need for good behavior. We must all try to lead the best lives we can! But that is a life-long undertaking; you can’t solve the problem merely by adopting whatever religion happens to be in the neighborhood—and then never allowing yourself to question it again. Mankind must be allowed to ask questions—must think instead of judging according to habit or prejudice. Religion all too frequently denies us the ability to learn, grow and judge fairly.

The atheist position is defined too often as disbelief in “God,” as if there was only one deity to choose from. This is an error: atheists don’t believe in any gods, including the multiple versions of God that Christians have speculated on over the centuries. Atheists are even-handed in their rejection of the world’s various mythological narratives. Yet in the United States, with so many cultural roots leading back to Europe (once considered “Christendom”), it seems natural to reduce all such debates to a narrow focus on opposition to Christianity alone. And for the same reason, within the United States, atheists can demonstrate the logic of their position most clearly by giving examples of the failures of the Judeo-Christian mythos.

And the myth that’s easiest of all to refute is that of Hell.

Quite simply, it’s absurd to claim that a loving and forgiving god could create everlasting torment as a punishment for us, and then not give us clear instructions on how to avoid it! But that’s precisely what obtains within the Christian tradition.

The Christian apologist will object to this statement on the grounds that the Bible does provide those instructions. And yet the Bible contradicts itself repeatedly, and Christian opinion varies along with those contradictions. The fact is, in the 2000 years since Christ’s death, there has never been a time when all the world’s Christians agreed on which sacred texts were the relevant ones, which translations of those texts were the correct ones, and which interpretations represented God’s will. And in this long history of disputes (and wars and massacres and crusades), both sides always claimed to be the ones that are obeying the Bible. Who should get the blame for this sort of misunderstanding? Not Mankind (unless the Bible really was written by ordinary people, and not by a divine ruler and preceptor).

The true believer describes the Bible as the only essential word of God, and as divinely revealed to us. The task of religious instruction is said to be one that God assigned to Himself; it is said to be anecessary part of defining the relationship between God and Man. And all the aspects of this relationship—the formation of the world, the laws given unto us and our built-in tendency to break them—are said to be the design of this all-knowing, omnipotent God.

Given such circumstances—given complete control of all the variables—how could such a god have failed to communicate his intentions clearly? It can’t be simply because his mind is too vast to be comprehended by us, or because he’s allowed to work in “mysterious ways.” The essential task of religious instruction cannot be vague or ambiguous. It must be accomplished in a manner that all humans can understand, or communication fails.

As a comparison, consider the utterly mundane laws for operating an automobile. On the highway, you might see all sorts of misbehavior, but the rules are specific. It doesn’t matter how many people drive as if the Speed Limit signs could be exceeded by five or six miles an hour. And it doesn’t matter how many people get away with it; you can still get a ticket for going just one mile-per-hour over the posted speed. All those rules you had to learn when you got your first driver’s license are equally specific: there are no gray areas, no excuses, no allowance for individual interpretation. Those rules have been communicated to us in clear terms.

And yet God’s instructions have been open to reinterpretation since the very start—and not just by lay people or quirky visionaries. The Bible has been hotly and continuously debated among the religious hierarchy—among the scholars, scribes and saints. It is the text itself that allows for these multiple interpretations. It is God’s failure to communicate.

This leaves us with a Bible—an instruction manual, so to speak—that forces us to guess what God had in mind.

It bears repeating that this matter of inadequate instructions is not merely an “opinion.” The failure to communicate and the potential for multiple and varied interpretations of the Bible are facts found throughout the entire history of Christianity. It is the reason Constantinople suffered from gang warfare between religious sects. It is the reason Eastern and Western churches have been separate and irreconcilable for more than twelve centuries. It is the reason the highly moral Catharist movement was violently exterminated by the Pope. It is the reason Europe was wracked by 100 years of warfare following the call for religious reform preached by Luther, Calvin, Zwigli and Huss. It is the reason that you have dozens of versions of Christianity to choose from today . . . each of them claiming to be the one and only truth.

So, if there is a God according to the Judeo-Christian tradition, his instructions are far from clear and sufficient. And we are left with the aforementioned absurdity: He is said to have created Hell as potential punishment, but He hasn’t told us exactly what we must do in order to avoid going there.

That leaves us with only three possible explanations:

Either God is totally unfair and sends us to Hell if we happen to guess wrong.

Or God is fair and there is no Hell.

Or … both God and Hell are mythological.

 



  • Thomas

    The bible to many is literal, some see it as a history and guide, as with all things on earth realted to mankind there are those who take their ideology to the extreme, zealously persecuting others whom disagree with them, even the infamous modern day “late high priestess of atheism Madelyn O’Hare did so herself” when her son rejected her atheism she disowned him, said he no longer existed to her, one might call that extremely zealous! God gave mankind a mind, freedom of choice to believe or not to believe, to worship him or not too, its all about using ones own mind, no one disagree the bible especially the old testament texts have many contradictions, but the favorite of mine is the “parable of the adulteress” where the pharisee’s who if one wished to find a modern day version might be the over zealous right wing evangelical christian’s or the extreme Islamic moslems of today whom adhere to a theology/ideology of zealotry bordering on insanity, extremism since as in the parable of the adulteress when the Pharisee’s tried to trick Jesus into saying what he was preaching was contradictory to the old testament, he told them those whom wished to stone to death the aduleress let he that hath no sin cast the first stone, and that he was not there to change the law but to fulfill it! Now I know the atheist zealot or the evangelical/Islamic zealots see nothing but black & white, eye for a eye, stoning to death the sinner as the only thing they can see, but the irony is the only man born of a womans womb who was sinless and could have stoned to her to death went to her and forgave her, told her to go and sin no more! There is a way to avoid the “lake of fire which is a place one cannot even imagine since its in another realm” the wide and easy road leads one there and the narrow and hard one leads to the kingdom of god!

    • Pacific Babe

      Hi El Lobo, RH, S, Q, & Thomas … you just can’t stay away can you?  How is your response relevant?  Babe

  • David

    This is great introduction to what atheist think and a great response to the issue of hell!!

  • Pacific Babe

    This is a great article Cal and I thank you.  The Bible has been hotly and continuously debated among the religious hierarchy—among the scholars, scribes and saints.  I obviously think it’s absolutely worthless to spend a lifetime debating a book that has no value.  At least it has no value in the life of an atheist!  Scholars who feel the need to spend a lifetime debating a book that’s severely flawed and mean-spirited suffer from obsessive compulsive behavior!  They need a shrink … just like RH (above) who’s posted this time under the name of Thomas.  He’s so tricky.  Babe

  • http://selfawarenessexpert.blogspot.com/2011/07/free-counselling.html?spref=fb Jim Hagerty

    Heaven and hell are states of consciousness, not localities!

    The way we see the world is also the way we view ourselves. Therefore, our view of the world has far-reaching consequences. It can lead us either to delusion, bondage, and unhappiness, or to mental clarity, freedom, and happiness.

    • Pacific Babe

      Very good! Babe

  • Anon 3

    Ignorantia juris non excusat.

  • Robert Hagedorn

    Saint Augustine couldn’t do it, but can someone else, believer or nonbeliever, explain what kind of fruit Adam and Eve ate in the story?  After 6000+ years I think we are all due an intelligent explanation.  No guesses, opinions, or beliefs, please–just the facts that we know from the story.  But first, do an Internet search:  First Scandal.

    • Pacific Babe

      Robert, why in the world do you want any who frequent this blog to answer your question?  When myths are handed down over generations the details change.  It simply doesn’t matter what fruit was eaten.  If a little piglet was eaten off the tree it wouldn’t matter. Creation myths worldwide have changed over generations, not just christianity.  I’d rather you tell me if Adam had testicles.  That’s more relevant to is there or isn’t there a god or a hell.  I can see you’re trying to direct people away from this blog and to yours.  Many in the past have done the same thing.  We’re not bothered by christians who still need to believe in a sky fairy and want some reassurance from you and/or Allan Richter that the supernatural is real. But based on your own blog statistics, you don’t have many followers. We’re interested in having a honest and upfront debate about reason and critical thinking.  If you care to respond, I’d like your thoughts on today’s blog posting.

    • Pacific Babe

      Amazing Robert that you get on every atheist blog there is.  Just a cut and paste and you have your supposed response.  How come no one responds to your enticing little question?  How many turnips were left Robert after you fell off the truck?  Babe