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A Question for Believers

by on Feb. 12, 2012, under Biblical Inerrancy, Christian Self-Righteous Arrogance, Christianity, Clarity, Critical Thinking, Faith, Fundamentalism, God & Bible, Islam, Logic, Question of the Day!, Reason, Religion, Sanity, Science, That's Life!, Willful Ignorance

Here’s a question from our friend Jim Wilson:

Most people of faith will tell you their God exists, period!  That leaves me highly skeptical of any of their many claims of absolute certainty.  It seems to me our knowledge is limited by the best available evidence, and it is always changing.  As such, I find ‘absolute certainty’ a useless concept for all practical purposes.

Religious people tend not to accept this, and hold claims of absolute certainty in very high regard even when their claims are based on flimsy evidence. Often vague feelings, intuitions and completely subjective experiences are apparently more than enough to know beyond any reasonable doubt their God exists. Any claim based on a subjective experience is irrational. This phenomena has been reinforced over and over again, by childhood indoctrination and tradition. It is the basis for understanding ‘meme’s.

I have heard similar stories from Christians, Muslims and Hindus about vague experiences that a God is communicating with them; often calling them to engage in some sort of behavior or lifestyle change.  The stories are almost interchangeable, but you will never see a Christian or Hindu accept a Muslim’s story of God’s subtle communication with the Muslim as true, and vice versa. When Christians tell me they have experienced God’s presence, I tell them about a Hindu friend who says the same thing about the Elephant headed God Ganesha and I ask why I should consider the Hindu’s experience any more or less reliable than theirs? It seems stories one would dismiss in other religions are perfectly reasonable to believe when they come from your own.

The hardest thing for me is when religious people invoke faith to justify their claims of absolute certainty of God. Faith is not necessary to know something is true. Faith is what you adduce when you want to believe something but cannot justify it or back it up with facts.  It’s a ‘feeling’ often followed with “I can’t explain it, I just know”. It is the one way to rule out ever discovering that you are in error. It disgusts me when faith is seen as virtue in today’s scientific and technologically advanced society. I am in favor of doing the opposite. I am and others should be willing to admit we might be wrong about any of our most cherished beliefs. I challenge all of our readers to go out and find the most well written piece you can that argues against a position you hold important. If you cannot respond to its arguments perhaps you should withhold your belief.

So my question for believers is:

What evidence would need to be presented for you to acknowledge that you have been mistaken about all or some of your religious beliefs? What would it take to bring you to a position of uncertainty?

For some it might be proof of evolution, or evidence that the world is an too unjust a place to be governed by the omni-benevolent being.  For others it may be pointing to inaccurate statements or contradictions in one’s holy book or pointing out places where the God in your holy book does highly immoral things like condone mass-murder or slavery. I’ll ask again; what would it take for you to take the high road and say, “I could be wrong”?

 

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  • Michael Patrick Brewer

    Does that tautology work in reverse? Will you go to the same high road?

    • AZAtheist

       Michael,

      Help me out here. What do YOU think tautology means and please point out where you find one in Jim’s article?

      Are you referring to a statement that is so obviously true that it need not be stated or a statement that is repeated in with different words such that no new information has been communicated?

      Here is the dictionary.com definition:
      — n  , pl -gies
      1. the use of words that merely repeat elements of the meaning already conveyed, as in the sentence Will these supplies be adequate enough?  in place of Will these supplies be adequate?
      2. logic: a statement that is always true, esp a truth-functional expression that takes the value true for all combinations of values of its components, as in either the sun is out or the sun is not out
      Do you have another meaning for the word?

      Don Lacey