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The Bible Fails To Live Up To Its Hype!

by on Feb. 23, 2012, under Armageddon, Biblical Inerrancy, Christian Self-Righteous Arrogance, Christianity, Clarity, Creationism, Critical Thinking, Economics, Education, Environment, Faith, Fundamentalism, Gay Marriage, God & Bible, History, Language, Logic, Reason, Religion, Sanity, Science, Willful Ignorance

This comes to us from Jim Wilson:

If you were God and you wanted to reveal yourself to humanity through your written word, what would you say?

That question was asked to me by a Christian evangelist a little over a year ago.  My recollection of this question prompted a great discussion on a soon to be released episode of Desert Air Podcast ( http://desertairpodcast.com/), which provides me with many ideas discussed here.

It seemed to me that the purpose of the question was to use what ever answers I’d give to him and argue that all the things I would put in my book, God has already put in the bible, just waiting for my discovery.  This, I would presume would include such things as fulfilled predictions of future events, solid moral teachings and important information about the world we live in.

For better or worse, the conversation did not end up going this way, possibly because I did not have time to visit for too long and possibly because I was familiar enough with such forms of apologetics to find problems with them.  Anyway, my first objection was that if I was all-knowing, all-powerful and all-benevolent, I doubt I would use revealed word in a written format as my form of communication, especially if we are to assume that I am revealing to technologically unsophisticated people like the Judeo-Christian god supposedly did. That would mean the material it was written on would deteriorate and continuously have to be rewritten; as such my word would always be left in someone else’s handwriting.  The rewriting would be subject to human error and vulnerable to people changing it for their own malevolent purposes.  As such it would seem highly short-sighted of a God to leave his message in a written form among a population of largely illiterate and technologically lacking people.

Also, keep in mind this God is supposedly all-powerful so he could make an information vector far more impressive than anything his bronze-age subjects could imagine.  He could have given them permanently charged iPads with the needed information on them, or something even more impressive.  I would see this as  a far more plausible way for an all-knowing being to communicate - that is, in a way that no other extant being could.  A God that would uses a written word, passed down for centuries among a priestly class in an otherwise illiterate population would strike me as highly suspect… either a highly incompetent being or more probably a fraud perpetuated by the previously mentioned priestly class.

Anyway, after stating that objection, I figured why not assume for the sake of argument that as a God, I’d have to use a book to reveal my word to the world’s people.  Given that assumption what would I put in my bible? Well, first to demonstrate my boundless level of knowledge I would fill it with things that no one at the time could have known, like pi, the germ theory of disease, evolutionary biology, genetics, the heliocentric solar system, calculus, the atomic theory of matter, Einsteinian relativity, quantum physics, cures for all diseases humans could ever face, instructions on how to make electricity and computers and a great deal of information that has yet to be known to humans. I would provide a template for producing a technologically advanced, peaceful, environmentally sound society free of oppression and all forms of authority. I figure an all-powerful all-knowing being would be able to clearly communicate all this.

I also would include many important ethical instructions the bible clearly neglects, such as opposition to slavery, opposition to mass murder, opposition to sexual oppression, opposition to prejudice based on sexual orientation, opposition to monarchy and other forms of authoritarianism, opposition to scapegoating or punishing one individual for the actions of others.  These are all things opposed by civilized society today, but are either condoned or commanded by the bible.

Furthermore, any predictions in my revelation would be independently verifiable and written clearly. The bible clearly fails in this regard, since most of its alleged prophecies are anything but clearly written and all of them force you to take the bible’s word about their fulfilment. If I was forced to limit my revelation to bronze age mid-easterners the way the biblical god supposedly did, I would be sure to include descriptions of walruses, kangaroos, platypuses, penguins and seals, sea otters, orangutans, ostriches, emus and all the many fantastic animals around from around the world, as well as places they could be found.  How strange it is that the bible discusses all the world’s animals entering a boat, but neglects to mention any species anywhere that would be unfamiliar to residents of the middle east.

Ideally, I would not want to reveal it to a chosen people like the biblical god is believed to have. To me this type of favoritism reflects the ethnocentric tribal attitudes of the bible’s thuggish creators, rather than proof of it’s divinity. Perhaps I could give parts of it to people all over the world and they would have to come together in unity to decipher it (strangely, the biblical God opposed this type of unity in the story of the tower of Babble).

I of course am not a God trying to communicate by book, but those are the type of things I would expect from a book written by someone all-benevolent and all-knowing.  The bible, God’s supposed word, falls way short of this. This much touted international best seller fails to live up to its own hype. It has no insights that bronze-age Mideasterners could not have been expected to produce, its miraculous claims are completely unverifiable and it’s morality is atrocious even by the most primitive standards.  It looks very much like a work of primitive people, coping with a rough cruel world and nothing like a work of a well-informed intelligence.  That, and there is also the complete lack of kangaroos.

 


  • CleanFun

    If I’ve read your article, I’ve read a thousand others coming from tiny segments of atheists, cowering in anonymity, who have initiated a losing campaign against Christianity under the guise of logic and reason.

    Personally, I’ve found that the Holy Bible isn’t hyped nearly enough. Although it’s the all-time best seller in history, it is the most underrated books there is.

    Maybe instead of approaching it as a skeptic, a pessimist, and a disgruntled atheist, you might approach it from the position of someone who wanted to see what all the hype is about. There’s enough philosophical food for thought provided to last a lifetime. What you get out of a passage one day may not be what you get out of it 5 years later. Its like the Mona Lisa in that so many passages seem to be directed right at you and can approach you in many different ways.

    Either way, I’m surprised the Tucson citizen gave you a soapbox to broadcast your ignorance from.

    • AZAtheist

       Cowering in anonymity…

      Donald Lacey
      Arizona State Director, American Atheist
      Coordinator, Tucson Atheists
      Coordinator, Skeptics of Tucson
      Board Member, FreeThought Arizona
      Treasurer, Secular Coalition for Arizona
      Panel Member, Desert AIR: Atheists Inquiry into Reality Podcast
      and soon moderator of this Blog…

      all this “cowering” is wearing me out!

      • CleanFun

        Bizarre that from everything written, you cling to that.

        • AZAtheist

           Well…I”m not going to argue with your opinion that the Bible isn’t hyped enough. I can’t argue about the fact that it’s an “all-time” best seller. I don’t care to take your advice to change my attitude toward the Bible or consider it a work of art like the Mona Lisa, which now that I think of it is one of the worst analogies I’ve seen this year.

          What I chose to address was your assertion that what Jim wrote was from an Atheist “cowering in anonymity.”

          By the way, CleanFun, who is more likely to be “cowering in anonymity?” Is it the person that uses the pseudonym or the one that uses his full name?

          • CleanFun

            Let’s talk straight with each other and not play dumb. Even if we use our full name and SS# to identify ourselves in every post, we’re all protected by a certain amount of anonymity over the internet. I think we can both agree that, online, an individual can smear a person’s mother without much fear of consequence. Whereas in a more public forum, talking about a person’s mother or slandering their most precious belief systems would likely provoke an undesirable reaction. Online or in person, either way it’s rather distasteful.

            Running across such articles online is no rare occurrence, but I never hear people assailing Christianity in person. So when I say cowering in anonymity, I mean exactly that.

            If we have a civil exchange of ideas here, its only because we choose to, not because we have to. Especially considering the material and subject matter which brought us to this point. And just because we disagree and take such opposing positions, that does not exclude us from having an exchange which isn’t entirely unpleasant for all parties involved.

            If you were insulted by “cowering in anonymity”, then take comfort in the fact that I was even more offended by the content of this article, which I feel is misled. Yet I exercised restraint and patience in an attempt to appeal to the reason, which atheists boast so much about, and which you consciously refused when you said “I don’t care to take your advice to change my attitude”. Ok, so you don’t care what the hype is, you don’t want to know what the hype is. You’re content to simply pit yourself against a system that promotes honesty, kindness, restraint, forgiveness, etc… a system you don’t care to know or want to understand, but is tremendously popular throughout the civilized world. I may not agree with your line of thinking, but I can accept that it is what you have chosen for yourself. However, when you choose to start pushing an unpopular creed, don’t be surprised if someone pushes back.

            Maybe you can explain something to me which has confused me for quite some time. Why does the atheist, who professes to not believe in God, spend so much of their time thinking and talking about nothing else?

            I don’t believe in Santa, but I don’t run around telling all the children that he does not exist and spend tremendous amounts of my time and effort trying to prove it to them. That would, in fact, be malicious in its very nature.

            • AZAtheist

               Sigh…

              In the first paragraph, you don’t answer the question.

              In the second paragraph, you state you’ve never heard anyone assailing Christianity in person. I was at the University of Arizona three days this week in opposition to a roving confrontational evangelical named Brother Jed (Jed Smock). If you’ve never hear such things, you should get out more.

              So far, I’ve been totally civil with you.

              I wasn’t insulted by your statement. I was pointing out that it was simply wrong. Further, you assume a great deal about me and my beliefs. You also accuse me of pushing an unpopular creed. This is wrong too. Atheism isn’t a creed. It’s simply a lack of belief in god or gods. Atheism has no dogma. When religion attempts to insinuate itself into the laws that affect people outside of religious belief, then it is necessary for the Atheists to come together to discuss the issues.

              Your second to the last paragraph contains the logical fallacy “Begging the Question.” In your stated question, you assume a premise that is not necessarily true. You assume in the question that Atheists spend “so much of their time thinking and talking about nothing else [God]. I’ll bet that you’ve never attended and Atheist meeting. You are speaking from ignorance on the subject since you cannot possibly know what Atheists discuss when they get together. So I cannot answer your question due to the way that it has been stated. I can answer this question, however, “What do Atheists discuss when they get together?” There is a long list of things that we discuss including subjects such as, “how do you come our as Atheist to your friends and family?”, “What is the best way to become active in the FreeThinking community?”, “How do Atheists handle grief?”, “Should we use the word Atheist in describing ourselves?”, “Are there things that ALL Atheists believe?” These are the kinds of things we discuss when we get together. The subject of God seldom comes up since the one thing that Atheists all agree with is that there is no God or gods.

              I’m glad you don’t believe in Santa and that you don’t discuss his existence now. I wonder however, if the discussion came up on occasion when you stopped believing and many of your friends were still believers.

              We’re done here!

              • CleanFun

                Let’s take a look at an immediate and convenient example, like jason’s blog posts.

                - The Bible Fails To Live Up To Its Hype!
                - Why Do So Many People Believe In God?
                - FreeThough​t Arizona monthly meeting Sunday February 19
                - If You’re An Atheist, You Must Be Sleeping With Your Girlfriend…(It’s disturbing that this is a reflection of the way many Christians think.)
                - A Question for Believers
                - You Can’t Judge God!
                - Make Hell Awesome!
                - Got Sin? Give it a Heave!
                - The Ten Commandments Have Nothing To Do With Our Legal System!

                Ah yes, 1 of 9 last blog entries appears to not deal with God/religion. So it is true, God isn’t the only thing you all think and talk about. You apparently are also capable of setting a time and date to meet and talk about … Heaven, Hell, Sin, Christians, the Ten Commandments, the Bible, etc … And why you should vote for Obama?!? Whatha?

                You’re right, we are done here.

            • tiponeill

              >
              I don’t believe in Santa, but I don’t run around telling all the children that he does not exist and spend tremendous amounts of my time and effort trying to prove it to them. 

              Neither do atheists. And I don’t go around debunking UFO enthusiasts or the Loch Ness Monster or astrology or tarot cards. Because even though I don’t believe in them, it does me no harm if others do.

              Unfortunately non-christians are under constant assault by christians and christian churches in the US, which is why we fight back.

              We didn’t start the culture wars, we are just fighting back.

              • CleanFun

                Alright, I can understand your disposition. Even as an individual who tries to adhere to the teachings of Christ, I have been accosted by an overzealous Christian before. And I do mean accosted. In truth, they asserted themselves so fervently that I was repulsed by their suggestions, even though I readily agreed with them. But it was the manner in which those positions were delivered that put me off so.

                To be fair, I can only think of that one incident, which left such a stain in my memory, and could have done me serious spiritual injury, had I not forgave them.

                So has a war actually been declared on you, or were you terribly offended by an overambitious individual in one or two isolated incidents?

                Either way, do you feel that you could forgive them? I don’t mean go be their BFF, but could you quash their debt? Or… has blood feud been declared? If so, how much blood do you require?

                • tiponeill

                  So has a war actually been declared on you, or were you terribly offended by an overambitious individual in one or two isolated incidents? 

                  Absolutely war – I can’t believe anyone who doesnt know that people like Santorum are running for President.

  • tiponeill

    >”
     tiny segments of atheists, cowering in anonymity” – says “Clean Fun”
    :)

  • David_Pinar

    I highly recommend the DVD documentary “The God who wasn’t there”. It very effectively dismisses most of the myths in the Bible. The death-resurrection-ascension sequence was very common in previous mythologies and religions. The story of Exodus was taken directly from the Judism myth of The Massacre of the Innocents. The Epistles of Paul, which were written before the Gospels,
    show no awareness on the part of the author that Jesus was supposed to
    have been a human being who recently lived. Paul mentions only the crucifixion, the resurrection and the ascension and presents them as having occurred in a mythic realm rather than an earthly one. And that’s just for starters. It has been geologically proven there has never been a flood covering even a faction of the earth let alone the entire earth, as told in the fable of Noah and the Ark. Moses parting the Red Sea makes for great entertainment in the movie The Ten Commandments, but not something I want to take any more seriously than Godzilla.  

  • http://tucsoncitizen.com/never-too-late-to-care/ Pam Bickell

    There are those who believe our physical world is not the only world, even that it might not be real, as in ‘like a hologram.’ I think it’s a good explanation for why we humans are in such a mess, especially when it comes to subjects like religion. There could be a place where Love and Light rule only, of course, we have to make Love the most important essence of ourselves to see it.