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		<title>“I’m actually an Atheist,” says Rebecca Vitsmun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Lacey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yesterday, this blog posted an article about Juan Mendez and his address to the Arizona State Legislature about Secular Humanism. It didn’t mention the other bit of “Atheist” good news that rose from the devastation caused by a tornado in Oklahoma. There is a 32 second video of an interview conducted by CNN’s Wolf Blitzer [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://tucsoncitizen.com/freethought-arizona/files/2013/05/Rebecca-Vitsmun.png"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1330" alt="Rebecca Vitsmun" src="http://tucsoncitizen.com/freethought-arizona/files/2013/05/Rebecca-Vitsmun-300x187.png" width="300" height="187" /></a>Yesterday, this blog posted an article about <a href="http://tucsoncitizen.com/freethought-arizona/2013/05/22/juan-mendez-an-arizona-atheist-opening-legislative-prayer/">Juan Mendez and his address to the Arizona State Legislature about Secular Humanism</a>. It didn’t mention the other bit of “Atheist” good news that rose from the devastation caused by a tornado in Oklahoma. There is a 32 second video of an interview conducted by CNN’s Wolf Blitzer located <a href="http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-wolf-blitzer-atheist-oklahoma-cnn-20130522,0,4513243.story">HERE</a>. In the interview with tornado debris in the background, Wolf Blitzer asks a young lady holding her 18 month old baby, “I guess you gotta thank the lord, right?” To which Rebecca Vitsmun says, “I’m actually an Atheist.” She went on to also say, “I don’t blame anybody for thanking the lord.” Perfect! Probably <a href="http://www.mediaite.com/tv/glenn-beck-thinks-blitzers-awkward-atheist-interview-was-set-up-by-cnn-producer-who-doesnt-like-christians/">too perfect says Glenn Beck</a>. He believes that it was a set up to make Atheists look better than they actually are. Rush Limbaugh says, “He found the only Atheist in Oklahoma, and he didn’t know it,” but Limbaugh might have been laughing at Mr. Blitzer when he went on to say, “That’s just too rich. He thinks everybody he talks to is being ‘all God all the time.’” Thanks to social media, we know that Rebecca Vitsmun isn’t “the only Atheist in Oklahoma.” We also know that she is a member of <a href="https://www.facebook.com/OklahomaAtheists">Oklahoma Atheists</a>, and contrary to some spurious reports, she’s not going anywhere. You can bet that she could use some help, though. One way to help her and also help the community is to buy the <a href="http://freeok.org/tickets/actually-tees/">“I’m actually an atheist.” Tee Shirt</a>. This is a win-win situation. You can help her out and identify yourself as a caring and giving Atheist at the same time. This will work out great for me because my “Atheist and proud of it” shirt is starting to wear out. The proceeds of the sale will go to a relief fund set up to help Rebecca Vitsmun and her son through these most difficult times.</p>
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		<title>Juan Mendez, an Arizona Atheist, Opening Legislative Prayer</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 17:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Don Lacey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Secular Coalition for Arizona Invocation for Opening of AZ House of Representatives Session Tuesday, May 21, 2013 Most prayers in this room begin with a request to bow your heads. I would like to ask that you not bow your heads. I would like to ask that you to take a moment to look around the room [...]]]></description>
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<p align="center"><span style="color: #000080"><b>Secular Coalition for Arizona</b></span></p>
<p align="center"><span style="color: #000080"><b>Invocation for Opening of AZ House of Representatives Session</b></span></p>
<p align="center"><span style="color: #000080"><b>Tuesday, May 21, 2013</b></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000080">Most prayers in this room begin with a request to bow your heads. I would like to ask that you <i>not</i> bow your heads. I would like to ask that you to take a moment to look around the room at all of the men and women here, in this moment, sharing together this extraordinary experience of being alive and of dedicating ourselves to working toward improving the lives of the people in our state.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000080">This is a room in which there are many challenging debates, many moments of tension, of ideological division, of frustration. But this is also a room where, as my Secular Humanist tradition stresses, by the very fact of being human, we have much more in common than we have differences. We share the same spectrum of potential for care, for compassion, for fear, for joy, for love&#8230;</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000080">Carl Sagan once wrote, “For small creatures such as we, the vastness is bearable only through love.” There is, in the political process, much to bear. In this room, let us cherish and celebrate our shared humanness, our shared capacity for reason and compassion, our shared love for the people of our state, for our Constitution, for our democracy&#8211;and let us root our policymaking process in these values that are relevant to all Arizonans regardless of religious belief or nonbelief. In gratitude and in love, in reason and in compassion, let us work together for a better Arizona.</span></p>
<p><a href="http://www.azleg.gov/MembersPage.asp?Member_ID=74&amp;Legislature=51&amp;Session_ID=110">Juan Mendez</a>, serves in the State House of Representatives and represents District 26 which includes north Tempe, northwest Mesa, and a large portion of the Salt River Pima Maricopa Indian Community. Yesterday during his inclusive opening “prayer,” he appealed to the legislature to represent ALL the people of Arizona regardless of religious belief and base their decisions on reason and compassion. According to <a href="http://jonathanturley.org/2013/05/22/arizona-atheist-gives-opening-legislative-prayer/">Jonathan Turely</a>, “Arizona had an extraordinary moment.” He’s right of course. The moment was “extraordinary.” It made national news and the dust hasn’t settled yet. The echoes of the last word of this secular invocation hadn’t died out before the story was picked up by <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/22/arizona-lawmaker-mendez-atheist/2349995/">USA Today</a>, <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/juan-mendez-carl-sagan_n_3316864.html">The Huffington Post</a>, <a href="http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/22/atheist-arizona-lawmaker-quotes-carl-sagan-for-house-opening-prayer/">The Raw Story</a>, <a href="http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20130521arizona-lawmaker--mendez-im-an-atheist.html">azcentral.com</a>, and of course <a href="http://jonathanturley.org/2013/05/22/arizona-atheist-gives-opening-legislative-prayer/">Jonathan Turley</a>. There are probably others covering this news item. This should not be news worthy. It should not be an “extraordinary event” when someone comes out and appeals to a legislature to represent ALL of the people it represents. <a href="http://www.pewforum.org/Unaffiliated/nones-on-the-rise.aspx">Recent polls</a> show that one in five Americans do not affiliate with a religion. If one looks at only the young people under 30, fully one third of them are unaffiliated—one in 3! Of course, that’s a nationwide survey. NPR did a story back in January about <a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/01/14/169164840/losing-our-religion-the-growth-of-the-nones">the growth of the nones</a>. In the article they state that religion still rules in America. There is only one openly “none” in the current Congress and that is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrsten_Sinema">Kyrsten Sinema</a> who is also from Arizona. Statistics state that the average American is slightly more religious than the average Iranian. Really? Wow!</p>
<p>Evidently, the CAP (<a href="http://www.azpolicy.org/">Center for Arizona Policy</a>) hasn’t noticed what occurred yesterday. It will and it’ll start lining up candidates to run against Mr. Mendez. However, the CAP could be a little distracted by the fact that a bill it sponsored making abortions illegal after 20 weeks was struck down by Judges in Ninth Circuit Court. CAP may be too busy trying to figure out how to spin the murder conviction of the Pennsylvania abortionist to its advantage or counting the money it made on the $250 per plate CAP Family Dinner with Ben Carson held earlier in the month. Or perhaps CAP is busy playing ghost writer for legislative bills and resolution such as the <a href="http://blog.azpolicy.org/news/trustworthy-loyal-helpful-friendly-courteous/">resolution to maintain the Boy Scout’s “Don’t ask don’t tell” policy</a>.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.secularaz.org/">Secular Coalition for Arizona</a> is the only group in the state that can seriously impact the CAP and its legislatively imposed policies but we are seriously out gunned. Currently, we only have one professional lobbyist while the CAP maintains a constant presence at the state legislature. Even so, this year we’ve moved from a strictly defensive posture to one that is actively trying to reverse the damage caused by the CAP and 114 bills that have been signed into law since they formed in 1995.</p>
<p>The Secular Coalition for Arizona (<a href="http://www.secularaz.org" target="_blank">www.secularaz.org</a>) is a 501(c)(4) lobbying organization that represents 17 organizations in the Arizona nontheistic community &#8212; a vibrant and growing community of Arizonans who self-identify as Atheists, Agnostics, Humanists, Freethinkers, and other labels of personal choosing to elected officials in and from Arizona.</p>
<p>Psst…<a href="http://www.secularaz.org/">The Secular Coalition for Arizona</a> does accept donations…</p>
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		<title>Sam Harris: The Problem with Atheism.</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 20:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Don Lacey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Every once in a while someone relatively new to the “Atheist movement” will bump up against Sam Harris and his negative feeling toward the word “Atheist”. At the AAI 2007 Convention in Washington D.C., he presented his case against using Atheist and any other label. Sam Harris is well known and important to Atheism. He [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://tucsoncitizen.com/freethought-arizona/files/2013/04/Atheist-and-proud.png"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1308" alt="Atheist and proud" src="http://tucsoncitizen.com/freethought-arizona/files/2013/04/Atheist-and-proud-300x300.png" width="300" height="300" /></a>Every once in a while someone relatively new to the “Atheist movement” will bump up against Sam Harris and his negative feeling toward the word “Atheist”. At the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODz7kRS2XPs">AAI 2007 Convention</a> in Washington D.C., he presented his case against using Atheist and any other label. Sam Harris is well known and important to Atheism. He wrote <i>The End of Faith </i>and his <i>Letters to a Christian Nation </i>is an excellent read—short and to the point. However, he has the idea that we should “go under the radar” and simply think about things rationally as a winning strategy. He starts his talk by saying how strange it is that a meeting of Atheists is even necessary. Then he argues that the use of the word Atheism is a mistake and we shouldn’t be using it. In his talk, he states that the label prevents us from being effective in our criticism of religion. He believes while under the radar, we should be destroying bad ideas where we see them. He says that there are so many bad ideas that we’ll be spending a great deal of time discussing religion. <b>He is wrong</b>.</p>
<p>Not using an identifying label—Atheist, Secular Humanist, Freethinker, Secularist, etc.—might work if winning an intellectual argument is all that is considered but people need more than that. They need community. How do people of a community find each other if not through labels? Look at the Meetup.com site. There you’ll find Tucson Atheists and Skeptics of Tucson. You’ll also find many other groups. A similar search through FaceBook will also result in pages dedicated the Secular Students, Atheists, and Recovering from Religion groups, national and locally.</p>
<p>Dr. Harris spends a great deal of time criticizing religion and he’s good at it. However, we are not all like him. And while we do criticize religion on occasion, any group that spends all of its time criticizing other groups is not mature and supportive of its own membership. Religions often criticize Atheists but it is not all that they do. They provide complete community service. They don’t meet once a week just to compare clothes. They have youth programs, and social events, and often pitch in together to help a member that has fallen on to hard times. Religions also have power through their large numbers and organizations such as the Center for Arizona Policy that act on their behalf and push Christian values on to the society in general. We need to do that and more.</p>
<p>In fact, we are starting to build and Tucson’s Atheist community is doing well. In the <a href="http://cities.barna.org/the-most-post-christian-cities-in-america/">Barna Group’s rating of The Most Post-Christian Cities in America</a> we rank #12. Here in Tucson we have multiple groups carrying the labels of “Atheists,” “Skeptics,” and “FreeThought.” We have our own increasingly effective legislature lobbying group The <i>Secular</i> Coalition for Arizona. This would not be possible without the use of identifying labels. In the past several years while the community was expanding, I often heard, “I’m glad I’ve found you. I thought I was the only one!”</p>
<p>The word Atheist has had negative connotations and many would rather not use it but any other term we use to describe ourselves would soon be saddled with the same baggage once it is clear that the term refers to those that don’t believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ. Have you ever heard someone say “Secular Humanist” in such a way as to be dripping with venom and dismissal? The better strategy is to come out as an Atheist, if you can, and take back the word. Erase the evil, negative connotations through positive example in all that you do.</p>
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		<title>Regaining religious faith: Why would an Atheist return to church?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 May 2013 19:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Don Lacey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last night at Caffeinated Godlessness, we discussed the reasons why someone that came from a church might return. What would it take? Is it even possible? Rarely folks that say that they tried Atheism return to their Christian beliefs. It was pointed out that there is a tendency to paint these “re-converts” as not ever [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://tucsoncitizen.com/freethought-arizona/files/2013/05/DeBaptize.png"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1317" alt="DeBaptize" src="http://tucsoncitizen.com/freethought-arizona/files/2013/05/DeBaptize-300x187.png" width="300" height="187" /></a>Last night at <a href="http://www.meetup.com/Tucson-Atheists/events/112663232/">Caffeinated Godlessness</a>, we discussed the reasons why someone that came from a church might return. What would it take? Is it even possible? Rarely folks that say that they tried Atheism return to their Christian beliefs. It was pointed out that there is a tendency to paint these “re-converts” as not ever being Atheists. It is tempting and natural to pull out the “<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman">No True Scotsman</a>” arguments in these cases. Most Atheists that have had a religious upbringing find that their Atheism won out after a struggle that could have taken years to resolve and most of the Atheists at the <a href="http://www.fronimos.com/">Fronimos Greek Café</a> last night agreed that the evidence persuasive enough to force a return to religious belief would be hard to come by and it is improbable that the potentially persuasive evidence would be believed at first. It could only be believed after ALL natural explanations have been researched.</p>
<p>Some of people admitted that they can’t imagine what it would take while others were very inventive and very specific. For example, one individual said God would have to appear as a burning bush at a Karaoke bar and sing <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0Zu5kuwBqs">“I’m Blue.”</a> By the way, he also said other people would have to witness it too so that he’d know that he wasn’t hallucinating.</p>
<p>There was some discussion of what an Atheist might be missing that the church normally provides the believer. For example, some remember the almost indescribable feeling of ecstasy that sometimes accompanies religious devotion. Others appreciated the religious rituals and consistency of regular experiences. The Catholic Church has seven sacraments that are designed to give a human life a structure and makes them dependent on the Church. They are baptized, receive communion (the first one is a REALLY big deal), confess sins to the priest, get confirmed, get married, some get ordained, and may receive last rights (Extreme Unction) just before their last breath. A religious person can be comfortable in the knowledge that ALL things have been answered. There are no unsolvable mysteries and death, the biggest mystery of them all, is no big deal. It’s just the next phase of their eternal existence. Religious people often have a strong community.</p>
<p>But religions are not derived from reason or from the logic of human philosophy. Many of the pat answers have no basis in science. Religious dogma, while providing a strong often safe foundation, limits the human experience, and it has prevented or at least delayed advancements that are beneficial to all mankind. Also remember that while every religion on earth tends to call itself peaceful, Lilliputian differences have led to incalculable human suffering and death.</p>
<p>Steve Martin says <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWlqpowKkBY">Atheists Don’t Have No Songs</a> but I won’t be going back soon. I enjoy having Sunday’s free, having <a href="http://tucsoncitizen.com/freethought-arizona/2013/05/03/god-hates-rock-n-roll-why-should-the-devil-have-all-the-good-music/">Rock ‘n’ Roll</a>, and watching football in my underpants. Most of all I like believing things that are demonstratively true in a world where our knowledge freely advances unfettered by religious dogma. In an Atheist world, there is no “chosen people” and human rights are derived from secular societal norms, not poorly translated dictums from Bronze Age writings. Finally, <a href="http://www.meetup.com/Tucson-Atheists/events/112663232/">Tucson Atheists</a> have a strong community too. Feel free to join us at The Shanty this Sunday at 7 PM.</p>
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		<title>God hates Rock ‘n’ Roll:  Why should the Devil have all the good music?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Lacey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Jim Wilson: As a fan of rock music as well as many other genres, it is fascinating to hear various religious figures arguing that music is evil.  In the Muslim world, such anti-rock attitudes are often linked with anti-Westernism in general, but here in the West we are more likely to be told that [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: #0000ff"><a href="http://tucsoncitizen.com/freethought-arizona/files/2013/05/Devil-RnR.png"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1313" alt="Devil RnR" src="http://tucsoncitizen.com/freethought-arizona/files/2013/05/Devil-RnR-300x187.png" width="300" height="187" /></a>From Jim Wilson:</span></p>
<p>As a fan of rock music as well as many other genres, it is fascinating to hear various religious figures arguing that music is evil.  In the Muslim world, such anti-rock attitudes are often linked with anti-Westernism in general, but here in the West we are more likely to be told that rock music is addictive, that it is a communist conspiracy, or it comes directly from Satan.   Rock music, we are told, has beats authored by Satan in a villainous plot to the control listeners and send them to hell.  Such beliefs have given rise to wild stories.  There is the tale that all rock bands pray to Satan before recording. There is the claim that screamed vocals on rock records are created when the musicians are enjoying anal sex, and there is a rumor most rock albums have satanic messages backed masked into them. There is the claim that every year Keith Richards has all the blood drained from his body and replaced with fresh blood from young donors.</p>
<p>While exploring this topic I stumbled on <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6j3yThfxxk">this video</a> . It is a video of a Christian religious leader preaching on the evils of popular music.  Beginning around 1:54 he states that God does have preferences for everything and that he expresses his preferences through his design.  He states, “God has made your ears to be able to take a certain amount of sound, and if you go beyond that level you’re going to hurt your ears<i>.</i>”  He continues to point out that damaged human ear cells do not heal themselves the way other body parts do making damage caused to ones ears by listening to loud music permanent.</p>
<p>He argues that God intentionally made our ears this way to express his distaste for rock music which admittedly, is often played loud.  That’s right! We are being told to believe that the all-knowing, all-powerful creator of all things demonstrates his preferences through design flaws.  Are we also to also assume that because God designed us to use the same opening to intake food and breathe air that he wanted us to be vulnerable to choking death?  It would have been much more useful for us to have ears that can heal themselves, and hear a wider range of the sounds of nature or to have eyes that could see more of the electromagnetic spectrum including ionizing radiation and magnetic fields.</p>
<p>We are forced to conclude that a supposedly benevolent creator’s designs are intentionally flawed, but the preacher’s argument has other problems. The design flaw says nothing about specific genres of music.  For example, Mozart or Bach music can be played at the same loud volume as Slayer with the same damaging effect.  Furthermore, you can listen to Slayer at low volume and receive NO ear damage.  Many older people who were lifelong rockers are not worse off than the people with ear damage from the sound of gunfire in wars or by the sounds of heavy machinery.  Is God trying to tell us through his poor ear design that he is anti-war or anti-factory?</p>
<p>God doesn’t exist but if he did it is unlikely that he would communicate his musical preferences by making a faulty ear design that doesn’t heal after damage. Rock and roll musicians are not always the best role models, and that is part of the genre’s appeal, but to assert that Rock ‘n’ Roll is from Satan is a load of superstitious nonsense that attempts to close off our experience of a wide range of diverse, innovative, and interesting sounds.  Besides, Rock ‘n’ Roll has also done much to bring people together. Check out <a href="http://www.farmaid.org/site/c.qlI5IhNVJsE/b.2723647/k.2B7B/The_Lineup.htm">Farm Aid </a>, <a href="http://oneworld.syr.edu/artists/">One World Concert</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Music_Peace_Festival">The Moscow Music Peace Festival</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_Aid">Live Aid</a>, and the benefit concert that started it all <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concert_For_Bangladesh">The Concert for Bangladesh</a>.</p>
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		<title>Religion as Mind Rape</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Apr 2013 19:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Don Lacey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim Wilson relates his recent experience with a travelling evangelical Christian: Recently, I met a female evangelist who worked closely in the field with her husband.  The two practiced a very “fire and brimstone,” “angry God” version of Christianity”.   They bad mouthed homosexuals, listeners of rock music, liberals, and made heavy use of threats of [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://tucsoncitizen.com/freethought-arizona/files/2013/04/Sister-Cindy.png"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1310" alt="Sister Cindy" src="http://tucsoncitizen.com/freethought-arizona/files/2013/04/Sister-Cindy-300x187.png" width="300" height="187" /></a><span style="color: #0000ff">Jim Wilson relates his recent experience with a travelling evangelical Christian:</span></p>
<p>Recently, I met a female evangelist who worked closely in the field with her husband.  The two practiced a very “fire and brimstone,” “angry God” version of Christianity”.   They bad mouthed homosexuals, listeners of rock music, liberals, and made heavy use of threats of hell.</p>
<p>I saw the wife in this pair explain their religious beliefs to a sizable audience they had gathered along with some of the details of their personal history.  Looking back, I regret not having asked her how she reconciles her role in the ministry with first Timothy 2:12, which states, “<i>But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have authority over the man, but to be in silence,” </i>Her story led me to pursue a different line of questioning.</p>
<p>She told of a time when she was a young, ambitious college student.  At this time, she met her future husband who was ministering to students at her university.  For some reason she found this man’s teachings about God, Jesus, and hellfire compelling and chose to follow him and renounce many of her past beliefs and ambitions.  She argued that prior to having met her husband she had been mind-raped by the professors at her University with their teachings of secular humanism, atheism, liberalism and socialism.  She did point out that she in fact paid the professors to teach her, so it was not a “legitimate rape” (Yes, she referenced Todd Akin’s controversial and stupid remark when telling this story.)</p>
<p>After she was done speaking I got a chance to speak with her privately.  I suggested that since she considered her professor’s teachings to be mind-rape, that the same could be said of those of her evangelist husband.  After all, rapists use physical violence or threats of physical violence to subdue their victims, while her husband’s teachings similarly use threats of eternal torment to anyone who dares to question them.  Her husband literally taught this woman she must believe everything he says or terrible things will happen to her—forever.  This element of backing one’s teachings with threats of violence is far more insidious than anything from even the most propagandizing college professors.</p>
<p>As far as I know, professors have no way to force their students to believe anything.  Sure, they may be able to command their pupils to memorize or understand their teachings at the risk failing their tests, but I see no way in which they can force anyone to believe anything they teach or retain it after the semester ends.  I never had a professor threaten me with torture if I fail to believe what he or she taught.  This can only happen in this country at explicitly religious schools.</p>
<p>The evangelist refused to acknowledge my point stating that I was off base, because it was not the fear of hell but the desire to be in the presence of a loving all powerful God.  Maybe she was being honest, but I’m skeptical of this claim since threats of hell are such a huge portion of what her ministry does.  They spent a lot of time asserting that people who disagree with them will be punished. Their time would be better spent explaining the evidence they have for this belief. It would be a much more constructive conversation.</p>
<p>The concept of mind rape describes religious indoctrination quite well.  It is usually performed on children who have not had time to develop critical thinking skills and therefore have no defense.  It is frequently backed up with threats of torments as well as the bribe of an eternal reward.  Frightening children with threats of hell is a form of child abuse, and one that many people never get over.  The degrading message is that we are all so sinful, wretched, and worthless that we should be tortured forever.  Anyone who sees a small child as a being worthy of nothing better than eternal torture by virtue of being born human has truly lost any semblance of decency.</p>
<p>Rape is a horrendous crime and the fact it happens or is tolerated at all in our culture is a tragedy. The evangelist’s notion of mind-rape is ironic and a useful, informative way of looking at religious indoctrination especially indoctrination that features the threat of punishment.</p>
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		<title>Hey Atheists! Where do you get your morals from?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Apr 2013 21:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Don Lacey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[By Philip Spacemuseum MacDuff As an atheist, I&#8217;m often asked “Where do you get your morals from?” The implicit attack here is that morals can only come from religion and that, therefore either I have no morals or the morals I do have were instilled in my religious upbringing. I do not intend to write [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By Philip Spacemuseum MacDuff</p>
<p><a href="http://tucsoncitizen.com/freethought-arizona/2013/04/16/hey-atheists-where-do-you-get-your-morals-from/snob/" rel="attachment wp-att-1302"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1302" src="http://tucsoncitizen.com/freethought-arizona/files/2013/04/Snob-300x187.png" alt="" width="300" height="187" /></a>As an atheist, I&#8217;m often asked “Where do you get your morals from?” The implicit attack here is that morals can only come from religion and that, therefore either I have no morals or the morals I do have were instilled in my religious upbringing. I do not intend to write about where I get my morals, beyond simply and quickly saying that my morals stem from a desire to make the world a better place. Instead, I intend to write about where most modern Christians get <em>their</em> morals – and it is most definitely not the Bible. This topic is something I have been thinking about a lot lately, as it has come up over and over in the debate on gay marriage.</p>
<p>Leviticus Chapter 20 Verse 13 has come up repeatedly. It reads as follows (as obtained from <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/">BibleGateway.com</a>, the New International Version)</p>
<p>“If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.”</p>
<p>Two verses later, in Leviticus 20:15, a similar admonition against sexual relations with animals is delivered:</p>
<p>“If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he is to be put to death, and you must kill the animal.”</p>
<p>These verses are similar to those of Leviticus 18:22-23, but the punishments for these sins are given in the above quoted verses. However, as of this writing, gay marriage is legal in 9 states, and bestiality is legal in 20 (according to <a href="http://www.animallaw.info/">www.animallaw.info</a>). Why are there no large-scale protests about bestiality? Why are not more Christians sermonizing on bestiality and how wicked it is, how it leads to the downfall of nations? Should not both biblical statutes carry the same weight in our laws and morals?</p>
<p>More common sins are listed in the previous chapter. Leviticus 19:19 says (quotation marks as in original)</p>
<p>“‘Keep my decrees.</p>
<p>“‘Do not mate different kinds of animals.</p>
<p>“‘Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.</p>
<p>“‘Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.</p>
<p>Leviticus 19:26 commands:</p>
<p>“‘Do not eat any meat with the blood still in it.</p>
<p>Leviticus 19:27 and 28 continue:</p>
<p>“‘Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.</p>
<p>“‘Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the Lord.</p>
<p>These six commands, and more listed throughout the book of Leviticus, are daily violated by good, upstanding Christians without protest. How is it that these commands can be disregarded so easily, but the single command on gay marriage must be not only upheld, but written into our national legislation? Christian morality is full of hypocrisy. The argument is often made that some verses are to be interpreted literally, while others are merely figurative. How then does one determine which are which? The Bible itself cannot be a guide; it gives no direction on how to evaluate its contents beyond such pithy directives as &#8220;Keep my decrees&#8221;. Some other source must be obtained to make this decision. The lay people of a church rely on the guidance of their pastors, priests, ministers and deacons, but where do these leaders turn for their answers? There must be some source <em>which is not the Bible</em> for making these decisions of morality.</p>
<p>The act of deciding that some commands in the Bible can be safely ignored while others must be upheld literally, and in some cases, violently, can only be rationalized by two possible courses. Either the decision is made to consciously violate God&#8217;s sacred commands, thereby intentionally earning a place in the fires of hell, or the Christian has employed a set of morals independent of <em>and superior to</em> the biblical commands. In either case, the Christian can no longer point to the Bible as the ultimate source of their morals. It may provide a starting point, but as we no longer stone women for failing to be virgins on the day they are married to some lecherous old man who bought them, we clearly have evolved our sense of morality since the Bronze Age.</p>
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		<title>Response to “The Scientific Death of Jesus”</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Apr 2013 17:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Don Lacey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[By Jim Wilson Lately, I have noticed variants of a horrific little essay titled the Scientific Death of Jesus making its way around the internet.   An excellent example, complete with illustrations is found here.  It details the crucifixion of Jesus and then discusses why it is such a great thing and why we should worship [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: #0000ff">By Jim Wilson</span></p>
<p>Lately, I have noticed variants of a horrific little essay titled the <em>Scientific Death of Jesus</em> making its way around the internet.   An excellent example, complete with illustrations <a href="http://www.turnbacktogod.com/the-scientific-death-of-jesus/">is found here.</a>  It details the crucifixion of Jesus and then discusses why it is such a great thing and why we should worship the God who arranged for it to happen.  The crucifixion theology is not a great thing. It is sick and twisted.  I’ll explain why using the essay linked above as a starting point.</p>
<p>The essay claims, “Only the worst criminals could die like Jesus<em>.</em><em>”</em>  However, it was not reserved for “only the worst criminals,” anyone accused of challenging Roman rule could receive this fate. Furthermore, Pontius Pilate was a ruthless executioner who indiscriminately killed those brought before him unlike the way he is depicted in the Bible. He was not likely to petition the Jews to let Jesus off the hook.  Pilate’s Jewish contemporary <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philo">Philo of Alexandria</a> referred to “his venality, his violence, his thefts, his assaults, his abusive behavior, his frequent executions of untried prisoners and his endless savage ferocity<em>.”</em> That Jesus met the fate of crucifixion hardly makes him unique.</p>
<p>The piece describes the horrible suffering associated with crucifixion, a brutal form of execution.  For sake of brevity, I’ll assume it gives a fairly accurate account.  In the account, <em>“</em>Jesus endured that reality over 3 hours. Yes, over 3 hours!<em>”</em><em> </em> I question their three hour figure. Mark 15:25 states “And it was the third hour, and they crucified him,” while verse 34 states “And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, ‘Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?’” which means, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”.  Therefore, he was alive for at least six hours.  According to Wikipedia and various other sites, “The length of time required to reach death could range from a matter of hours to a number of days, depending on exact methods, the health of the crucified person, and environmental circumstances.<em>”  </em>In other words, Jesus’s suffering may have been rather short compared to other victims.</p>
<p>According to the essay, “He had no more blood to bleed, He only poured water” and that, “Jesus poured all 3.5 litres of his blood<em>.”</em>   These are highly specific claims to make about an event that happened 2000 years ago.  It is impossible to know with any confidence the contents of Jesus’s body to that degree of accuracy.</p>
<p>Next the essay states, “Beyond that, a Roman soldier who nailed a spear into his chest<em>.”</em>  While certainly possible, the historicity of this stabbing is highly questionable.  The incident appears only in the gospel attributed to John, which scholars tend to recognize as differing heavily from the other canonical gospels and historically suspect.  For example John’s gospel, expands Jesus ministry from one year to three years, with three distinct trips to Jerusalem.  Also, John moves the infamous purification of the temple from the end of his public ministry to its beginning.  While the other Gospels primarily features Jesus speaking in pithy quotes and parables, John expands these into lengthy verbatim discourses (How did he remember them?).  John refers to “the Jews” as if they were some foreign group rather than people from whom the author was born and raised.  John also neglects to mention such events as the transfiguration, the raising of Jarius’s Daughter and the Ascension which other Gospels claim he was one of only a few witnesses.  Also John turns Luke’s parable about a man named Lazarus into and actual historical event.  James Dunn, a leading New Testament scholar, notes that &#8220;Few scholars would regard John as a source for information regarding Jesus&#8217;s life and ministry in any degree comparable to the synoptics.”</p>
<p>To make matter worse, John States that “For these things came to pass, that the scripture might be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.  And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.”  There is no prophecy preserved in the Old Testament that says a “A bone of him shall not be broken.”  It is often assumed that this refers to Exodus 12:46, Numbers 9:12, which are not prophecies at all but instructions not to break the bones in a Passover lamb, or Psalm 34:20, which is says nothing to indicate that it is a prophecy of some future event.  John’s statement, “and again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced”<em> </em>relies on a mistranslation of Zechariah 12:10.  In the original verse “they look onto me, whom concerning they have pierced and they will mourn him like the weeping of a first born.”<em>  </em>In the context it is clear that the “me” is God, and the piercing is done by the Jewish people, rather than a Roman soldier.  Jews interpret this verse as being about God defending Jerusalem from its enemies at a time when the nations of the world conspire against it rather than the physical injury of a messiah figure.</p>
<p><em>The Scientific Death of Jesus</em> concludes, “Jesus had to pass all this experience, so that you can have free access to God. So that your sins could be ‘washed’. All of them, with no exception! Don’t ignore this situation. HE DIED FOR YOU.<em>”</em>   In other words, a man allowed himself to be brutally and humiliatingly murdered for me.  Why? Christians generally state that it is because we are all indebted to God by our sins and God required this sacrifice to forgive us.  This is highly problematic. Only a horrible monster would require a brutal murder to take place in order to forgive others.  The need for a human blood sacrifice is a carryover from the animal sacrifices described in the Old Testament and is very much the type of cruel barbarism we should be denouncing rather than celebrating.</p>
<p>Christians will reply though that it is wonderful that God so willingly gave the life of his son.  Did he? In the story, he clearly got his son back. He also created this son specifically for this purpose but Jesus and God are supposedly the same entity (though Jesus only ever referred to God in the third person).  From the Trinitarian point of view, we are forced to conclude that God is putting on a twisted piece of theater where he is sacrificing himself to himself, in a horribly bloody manner, to save others from his own wrath.  What nonsense!</p>
<p>Also, what is three, or six, hours of human suffering to God, to an infinite, eternal, and omnipresent being? For such a being the event would be incredibly insignificant.  If Jesus existed since the beginning of time, a few hours of suffering would hardly be comparable to a pinprick. Further, if God is truly omnipresent he would experience all human suffering anyway and the suffering he experiences in this gesture would be largely redundant.</p>
<p>If we accept the concept of sin as valid, the notion that allowing an innocent person to be murdered as payment that somehow resolves us of responsibility is morally absurd by all convention standards.  It is made worse by the fact that those who are unable to believe this horrific and outrageous set of theological claims are promised eternal punishment.  The Christian God has essentially created a torture chamber that can only be escaped by pledging an eternity of praise and gratitude for allowing a brutal murder to take place.</p>
<p>The crucifixion narrative is rubbish.   It is immoral, nonsensical, and horrendously violent.  The concept of blood sacrifice, human or otherwise, has no place in an advanced society.</p>
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		<title>Kirk Cameron Embraces Killing for God</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2013 07:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Don Lacey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim Wilson has been waiting to drop the hammer on Kirk Cameron for a while now: Kirk Cameron  made the news again. From the Crocoduck to the banana, everything he gets involved in is a show case of Christian ignorance and gullibility. Hours ago, the former child actor and star of Growing Pains—a family sitcom [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: #0000ff"><a href="http://tucsoncitizen.com/freethought-arizona/2013/03/26/kirk-cameron-embraces-killing-for-god/kirk-cameron/" rel="attachment wp-att-1288"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1288" src="http://tucsoncitizen.com/freethought-arizona/files/2013/03/Kirk-Cameron-300x187.png" alt="" width="300" height="187" /></a>Jim Wilson has been waiting to drop the hammer on Kirk Cameron for a while now:</span></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirk_Cameron">Kirk Cameron</a>  made the news again. From the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocoduck">Crocoduck</a> to the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yArPNtiQDcM">banana</a>, everything he gets involved in is a show case of Christian ignorance and gullibility. Hours ago, the former child actor and star of Growing Pains—a family sitcom from the eighties—made a recent post on his twitter account. The post discusses a massive <a href="http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151563848788735&amp;set=pb.40667713734.-2207520000.1364310719&amp;type=3&amp;theater">Ten Commandments monument</a> at a hotel in Odessa, Texas.  Cameron states:</p>
<p><em>“Check out this huge stone monument at the front door of the hotel I checked into tonight in Odessa. This is the #1 city for jobs in the US (lots of new found oil)! Try to tell this hotel owner in West Texas to remove these commandments and I’m pretty sure a good ol’ boy down here would be willing to make an exception for the 6th commandment just for you… Don’t mess with Texas!&#8230;”</em></p>
<p>The sixth commandment is the one stating that “THOU SHALT NOT KILL”.</p>
<p>Cameron is confused. Secularists such as those in FreeThought Arizona are against displaying Ten Commandments monuments and all other religious monuments in <strong>government</strong> spaces. We are not against displays in private homes or hotels. However the appearance of religious monuments on government property implies a preference of the religious over the nonreligious and tax money should not be going to the promotion of religious superstition of any kind. No one is challenging the right of private citizens to post religious nonsense on homes or businesses.</p>
<p>Any business owner can be as overtly religious as they please. While they are forbidden from religious discrimination in public accommodations, they can post all the crosses, Ten Commandments monuments, and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthys">Ichthys symbols</a> they desire. While it could cost them business from the Freethinking community, that same community would stand with them in opposition to those that might try to remove those things due to our strong desire to preserve freedom of speech.</p>
<p>Kirk Cameron’s celebration of the willingness of “good o’ boys” to ignore their own Bible and kill people is a bit scuzzy but it&#8217;s worse if he is implying that it should apply to people who wish to remove such monuments from government places as well. He could be saying that in the wilds of west Texas, they have rugged gun toting “good ol’ boys” who don&#8217;t listen to the namby-pamby, politically correct rules such as separation of church and state where bullying Atheists and gay kids is so common that young people are often terrified to come out to their own families. This should not be celebrated… especially from the guy from Growing Pains.</p>
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		<title>Logical Atheist&#8217;s look at Center for Arizona Policy&#8217;s argument for marriage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Lacey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cathi Herrod of the very religious political lobbying group, CAP (The Center for Arizona Policy), just sent out another letter to motivate her followers. She is watching the recent political discourse about marriage and wondering why anyone following the debate would “support the true definition of marriage as the union of one man and one [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://tucsoncitizen.com/freethought-arizona/2013/03/22/freethinkers-look-at-cathi-herrods-argument-for-marriage/herrod-w-bubble-1/" rel="attachment wp-att-1284"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1284" src="http://tucsoncitizen.com/freethought-arizona/files/2013/03/Herrod-w-bubble-1-300x187.png" alt="" width="300" height="187" /></a>Cathi Herrod of the very religious political lobbying group, CAP (The Center for Arizona Policy), just sent out another letter to motivate her followers. She is watching the recent political discourse about marriage and wondering why anyone following the debate would “support the true definition of marriage as the union of one man and one woman.” Based on her email, she seems to believe that the conversation leaves out the meaning and purpose of marriage. She then points out that “the reality is that marriage is the engine that drives our country.” She believes that marriage creates the ideal environment for personal independence, wealth creation, and the nurturing of future generations. She then goes on and uses the 41 year marriage of “Joe and Sarah” to demonstrate her point. Joe and Sarah stayed married a long time and raised two kids. One of their kids decided to adopt and isn’t this a wonderful result? Of course it is, Cathi and no one is arguing that marriage is a bad thing. In fact, most are arguing that it is such a wonderful thing that everyone should be allowed to participate. Going back to Cathi’s story, how will allowing a same sex couple to marry prevent future Joes and Sarahs from having future storybook marriages with great kids and adopted grand kids?</p>
<p><strong>So far, Cathi and the marriage equality folks are on the same page</strong>—<strong>both believe marriage is a fine institution</strong>. Cathi wants to limit it to only one man and one woman but doesn’t make a convincing case for that position. There is more in the email.</p>
<p>She quotes statistics from a study performed at Princeton University that says kids raised in an intact house do better in school and generally have better lives. Lest we forget, Cathi likes kids with the possible exception of kids that turn out to be gay. Last year, she killed an anti-bullying bill on the off chance that it would protect gay kids from harassment. <a href="http://bcove.me/vyxdi7qi">Here’s the VIDEO</a>. In the reporting of Cathi’s action on the anti-bullying bill, they call her a “<a href="http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2012/03/cathi_herrod_and_center_for_ar_1.php">heavy weight lobbyist</a>.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.azpolicy.org/get-involved-events/pray-for-marriage">She’s calling for prayers</a>. She wants her people to join her at the Sandra Day O’Connor Federal District Court Houses to meet for a prayer vigil. Go for it! Because praying works SO well and by all means let’s do it in public in accordance with the Bible (Matthew 6:5) “When you pray, don&#8217;t be like the hypocrites who love to pray publicly on street corners and in the synagogues where everyone can see them. I tell you the truth, that is all the reward they will ever get.”</p>
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