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Livengood moments – good and bad – through the years

by on Dec. 17, 2009, under Sports

It had to be in early 1994 when I first met Jim Livengood. He was in his first few months of his job as athletic director at the University of Arizona.  It was Livengood and the Tucson Citizen Sports staff at Micha’s Restaurant. Micha’s is always good for a meeting.

Back then, we spoke about his dealing with two then-Washington State football players involved in a pipe bomb incident that killed one former Cougars player and injured another. He was surprised I knew about it.

A friendship began. So did the communication. He was good at taking calls – late into the night and/or early in the morning – about what was going on with the University of Arizona programs. Could he confirm or deny this? Could he speak on the record about that? More times than not, he couldn’t. He wished he could’ve – and did before 1997 – at times and when it was appropriate. Then a lawsuit by former UA player Miles Simon (UA officials had leaked Simon’s grades to the Kansas City Star) after Simon had been declared ineligible. It was old news (him being ineligible) to the locals but the story was more about the great lengths UA went to try to keep Simon eligible. (Wouldn’t it have been easier just to do well in school?). Great lengths? They didn’t work.

Simon eventually lost his lawsuit; Arizona, however, and Livengood clamped down on information, always couching his words to make sure not to say too much or say anything at all. He didn’t when Simon was eventually not rehired two years ago in a move that was likely his decision. “You know Steve,’’ he said, in a non-typical admonishing voice back then on the cell phone, “I don’t talk about personnel matters.’’

And that was that. Simon was gone.

Much has happened through the years under Livengood – good and bad. The good? NCAA titles in men’s basketball, numerous times in softball; men’s and women’s swimming; and success in football behind Dick Tomey and Mike Stoops.

Unfortunate things happened, too. Things well beyond his control.

It was under his watch Shawtinice Polk, a standout women’s UA basketball player, died as a result of a blood clot in 2005. Sad day. He handled it as well as could be expected. He was the AD when Damon Terrell passed away a month after collapsing at a UA football practice in August of 1995. He was the AD when Jason Terry eventually admitted taking money(s) from a pair of agents in 1999 thus creating an NCAA violation for the program.

Back then, Livengood said, “Jason Terry is a great person. I know he feels terrible about this and the effect the news will have on his teammates, and on the basketball program. Even though Jason knew the rules, he fell prey to agents’ promises and easy handouts. Now we all pay the price. It’s a no-win situation.”

As part of the penalty phase, Terry is not eligible for UA’s Sports Hall of Fame, although Livengood said earlier this decade “never say never’’ in Terry making it at some point. Now, it won’t be his call. As it turns out now, Livengood is still in the middle of another investigation – Lute Olson, too – involving the men’s basketball program and its involvement with the Cactus Classic. We’ll see what happens there when it comes out? Shouldn’t it have already?

In time. For now, let’s move on.

Livengood was the AD who had to call St. Joseph’s officials in 1996 to tell them UA wasn’t going to make the game in Philadelphia after a major snowstorm hit the area. It was about the same time – give a day or so – news broke that senior center Joseph Blair was academically ineligible. There were rumors (at the time) UA didn’t make the trip because Blair’s situation would have been found out because he wouldn’t have been able to play.

But in my book, “Tales from the Arizona Wildcats Hardwood’’ Livengood insisted it was his call not to put the players on a plane because of the weather, airline schedules and the player’s safety.

“I had heard the Joseph (rumors) and this and that,’’ Livengood said for the book. “But in my heart of hearts, I have kids and I was really concerned about the weather. It was my call. I told the president (then UA president, Manuel Pacheco) what I wanted to do and he said, ‘if that’s what you want to do, then that’s what you do.’’’

Arizona ended up paying St. Joes $80,000 for the missed game. It was that and a whole lot of bad publicity.

But Livengood knew those were the situations of being an athletic director at one of the nation’s best sports-specific schools. The bad happened more often than thought possible.

The whole Dick Tomey firing/dismissal was a bit awkward. It’s still not clear what happened there. All we know is former good-guy, Father Flannigan-type Tomey was relieved of his duties in 2000 and replaced with the anti-Tomey, John Mackovic, a strict my-way-or-the-highway coach. Soon we learned he wasn’t the answer, particularly when it comes to coaching today’s me-first student-athletes. He lasted 2 ½ seasons after going 10-18. At UA and Tucson, Livengood will forever be remembered as the guy who hired Mackovic. He’ll also be the guy who will be remembered for not being able to fire Lute Olson. I’ll say right now, no one could. Not even the president of the University, Robert Shelton. The one making that call could only be Lute Olson, who eventually did after realizing he didn’t have anything left (energy and otherwise) to coach anymore that October day in 2008. And not that I know exactly what happened, I’d venture to guess, Livengood tried to figure out what the best possible exit Olson could take to go out gracefully. It didn’t work out that way – and all parties suffered.

Livengood will be remembered for naming former UA interim coach Kevin O’Neill as Lute’s successor. Hell, I endorsed the deal in a move that had to be done. At the time, UA needed stability, something it didn’t have in Lute’s absence. Maybe Lute would return; maybe he wouldn’t. UA needed some sort of plan. Livengood decided it was O’Neill to shore up recruits that had already committed. But, the players never took to O’Neill’s style, a tough-love, verbally demanding (read what you want into that) coach. Lute got wind of the problems and the relationship was severed.

Arizona moved on. Lute was back, of course, until he decided he couldn’t handle the game anymore – no matter how much he tried or wanted to. Livengood was back searching for a coach.  The oddest moment I thought, though, in Livengood’s tenure came the day Olson retired. At the end of the press conference, Livengood said, “I do not have a decision at this point in time in terms of who’s going to head our men’s basketball program.”

He was then whisked away by UA’s PR people, refusing to ask a follow-up question about who was taking over the program. What? No leader?

As it turned out, he was being honest. He didn’t know. Negotiations with then associate head coach Mike Dunlap broke down in the next few hours and Russ Pennell was named the interim head coach. Wow!

What it all showed was how much power Livengood had or didn’t have. I’m not sure he could have prevented any of it. No decision he could have made would have appeased the masses.

He made things right – eventually – by hiring the young and smart Sean Miller. It came after possibly hiring former USC coach Tim Floyd. He was flown in for a taste-test wasn’t he? It was a disaster Livengood eventually avoided to everyone’s relief.

Now, just 14 months after Lute’s retirement, Livengood is gone, sort of. He’ll be back and forth between his new school and his old one until next month. “Have a great Wildcat day’’ will be changed to “Have a great Rebel day’’ or “Isn’t it a great day to be a Rebel?”

No question Livengood has the energy and connections to do well in Vegas. He can smooze with the best of them. And he’s a go-getter. And, who retires at age 64 anymore? Not when 401ks have become 200.5Ks even for those who have made close to $300,000 for a few years now.

Hell, in a text on Thursday, I offered congratulations and my services (jokingly because heck being underemployed sucks) with a request of a chance to communicate. I never got a response. Seems like old times already. We will both live and likely run into one another a time or two before he’s officially gone.

That said, Livengood will do well, baring a snow storm in the east (UNLV doesn’t travel anywhere near the east this season) and any controversy with the men’s basketball coach. Then again, he has experience with each and should know how to deal with the dilemmas.

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  • Andy Morales

    Steve, great article.   I got an email from someone asking me to write about the people Livengood let Mackovic fire (secretaries?).  That’s not my beat or something that interests me at this point.  Did this happen?  can you shed some light on it?
     
    Thanks,
    Andy

  • http://steveriveraventures.com Steve Rivera

    Andy, thanks for the note. It was rather long and there was more to add, but it had to end at some point. You are right or your informant is right. Sometime in the early 2000s a number of people were let go in the athletic department. I want to say about 19 (there may have been more). It came about the time Mackovic was just hired. What looked bad was that Mackovic requested his office to be totally revamped and a lot of money was spent on that. Jobs were lost in the process. My buddy Charles Durrenberger did a story on it back in the day. Tried to find it but couldn’t.

  • Andy Morales

    Thanks.  Durrenberger is a great guy – I’m sure he did those people some justice.  Any chance Candrea wants the job or is that just wild rumor?
     
    Andy

  • Horne-Wise’CatsMayHaveChance!!

    Thanks for the insight, Esteban.

    And I too echo Andres’ sentiments.

    Fantastic piece of writing, of capturing the man, Livengood.

    The main man mentioned thus far as a likely successor has been TCU AD Del Conte, right?

    Steve, isn’t DC a Livengood disciple, learning most everything he knows at the altar of Gentlman Jim?

    Now I don’t want to put you on the spot, but maybe you know this moreso than the next guy: What chance does one of AD Jim’s ace understudies in the AD Dept. now have of succeeding him at McKale?

    Or, does Shelton do like ZZ Top and go nationwide?

    I say the UA has to think and act big and go right to the top ADs at the top universities in the top conferences for academics and athletics and pick a plumb that shocks the world, wins the presser (remember that phrase from the UA b-ball coach sweepstakes of last spring and summer?) and pumps much needed blood and life into the system over at Campbell and 6th St.

    Someone, ugh, ESPN and the PAC-10 office (Director of Officiating in particular) will be talking (positively) about for some time to come.

    You thoughts guys?

    • http://steveriveraventures.com Steve Rivera

      You are correct in thinking Del Conte could be a guy, but I’m not so sure UA can match what Del Conte is making now — about $700,000 a year. Do some of the higher up boosters want him? Sure. He’s good at what he does, but he too is a Livengood disciple and do you want that to continue? Didn’t they not want to rehire Livengood? Why bring in Livengood II? Maybe they do. I have a feeling Shelton will go elsewhere. I could be wrong, but …

  • Jay Williams

    Great piece – Who are the AD candidates who should be considered:  Chris Del Conte (TCU), Bill Moos (Oregon), Kevin Anderson (Army), Gene Bleymaier (BSU), Mario Mocca (SIU), Bubba Cunningham (Tulsa), Scott Barnes (USU), Sheahon Zenger (ISU), Cary Groth (Nevada), Mike Roth (Zags), Bob Stull (UTEP),  Tom Collins (BSU), many others.  I hope we really explore this one and find another great person who can lead a major facilities campaign.

  • Bill Perry

    The LV Review Journal reported that Moos was the first choice at UNLV but that they couldn’t reach an agreement with Oregon about his buyout and non-compete clause.  They also stated that he has a non-compete clause for ten years at any BCS school.  The disagreement was whether UNLV was a BCS school and Oregon argued that since they could qualify for the BSC (like TCU and Boise State this year, that they qualified.)  It is very unlikely that they would agree to let Moos go to another Pac-10 school.

  • oldwest2

    I think the UofA will find out Jim was a bargain at his yearly salary. The next AD will not come in for chump change to be sure.  Not that Jim’s salary was chump change per say, but it surely was on the low side of the going rate now.
    This move will cost the University some big bucks to hire an AD that can communicate and schmooze with the high rollers needed to help fund the self sustaining athletic dept.,  so in essence letting Jim go will cost the University some dollars, some how some way.
    So was it a good move to let him go? or was it a wise move to decide that change needed to happen to breathe new life into the athletic dept.?
    I suppose time will tell, we shall see what Mr Shelton is made of, he cannot hide behind some one else’s decisions now. This is his baby and totally in his court. Let’s all hope he knows what he is doing, seeing how this is his first AD hire.

  • momo jones

    This is one of the most poorly written and least informative stories I’ve ever read. 
    You could’ve saved a lot of cyber space by writing just one sentence: My name is Steve and I used to know Jim Livengood.
    After 20 years, this is all you could come up with? A hey-look-at-me-I-used-to-know-someone-famous story?
     
     

    • http://steveriveraventures.com Steve Rivera

      Momo Jones. Thanks for reading. And taking the time to send me a few lines. Had it been edited it by you it would have said that. I’ll send everything to you first from now on. Have a “Great Wildcat Day.”
      Next week: how it feels to breathe and eat in 1,500 words or less.
       
       
       

  • oldwest2

    MoMo………hey at least you warranted  a response from Steve, more than most of us can say. But all in all i sort of agree with your post, keep up the open mind and great attitude.

  • http://steveriveraventures.com Steve Rivera

    Oldwest, that’s all you’re asking for? A response? Well, you are on the money when it comes to the money situation. Livengood was cheap for the job as was Lute in the end. Lute set the standard in the late 1980s, but not in the end. It’ll be interesting to see what Jim makes (member I’m thisclose with him and hey, I’m Steve) in Vegas. And remember that Jim had people who did a lot of the fundraising, too. Del Conte did an unbelievable amount of the schmoozing to get a lot of the money. Jim was the boss. … UA let him go because it was time and there likely needed to be a clean break on both sides. Each side knew it. The marriage had run its course. Jim will be fine in Vegas and UA will be fine with whomever it brings in. … And here’s a news flash: did you know that Momo Jones (the one who wrote me) has a name exactly like the one on the basketball team? How’s that for being informative? …

  • oldwest2

    Steve, thanks for the response to my post. Actually i do not post per say for a response, i usually am  merely stating my point of view. I  just thought it was interesting you selectively chose to answer MoMo’s post, certainly your right as an individual, but just an observation by me.
    Thanks for the info and your thoughts , although some were surely made tongue in cheek,  but very informative to say the least. Unfortunately the news flash was not new news to me, although i had no proof per say other than my old inquisitive mind to fall back on. I was aware the poster MoMo in this case was not the basketball player. I have seen other posts by them at allaboutazcats.com in the past.
    Let’s all hope the new AD that is chosen will have the same bright and chipper attitude that Jim did.

  • Horne-Wise’CatsMayHaveChance!!

    Thanks Steve.  Wow, didn’t realize.  Must be a sign of the times – at UA? – that the ‘Cats can’t compete with the Horned Frogs.  We’re talking TCU, man…TCU…No not practice, but the Horned Frogs…from the WAC, I mean, the Mountain West…And Arizona’s not able to compete, cost-wise, for a one time second lieutenant in Livengood’s army?…

    This cat – little “c” ’til he dons the Cardinal and Navy once again, if ever – is making $700,000?!  Are you serious?  Wow.  Sorry, Steve, it’s just me.  Can’t get over that bit of information.

  • http://pointmantucson.yuku.com/ mike_brewer

    Anyone know the true story of what happened to the late Mike Fisher PhD, a former Marine, Korean War Vet, Drill Instructor and former NFL player, who was a tutor in the Athletic Department?

  • vegasallen

    Believe me, as a Las Vegas resident. UNLV is a big step down in class/prestige for Livengood. There is a lot of resistance to his hiring because he’s backed by Jim Rogers who makes Jim Click look destitute.  I truly believe that if Livengood can’t elevate UNLV, no one can.

    Steve, despite the comment above from mo moron, great article. It gave a lot of insight into Livengood’s tenure.

    Steve, do you think that it’s possible that on some level, Simon got “paid back” for the lawsuit when he was fired?

    • http://steveriveraventures.com Steve Rivera

      Vegasallen, thanks for the note. Livengood wanted a job. UNLV is a good job. He’s good at what he does. Maybe he was the school’s second choice, but he’ll do fine in the administration, fundraising role. As for Miles, there was no payback. That was water under the bridge. In fact, Simon had to be an ambassador, being that he was the Final Four MVP and by all accounts very knowledgable in the game. I wrote about that when he returned and worked on his degree. Something must have happened.
       

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  • http://pointmantucson.yuku.com/ mike_brewer

    Yo Momo and Oldwest2,
    Did you notice that no one dare answer my question about Mike Fisher? To do so, would be akin to the;  “Paul Harvey Rest of the Story” radio program.  I do not blame them however.  There is most likely a legal gag order on this closed case.

    • http://steveriveraventures.com Steve Rivera

      Mike, I’m assuming that’s a retorical question. You probably know what happened to him. Are you asking the circumstances of his situation at UA before his passing? You probably know that, too. Do tell….

      • http://pointmantucson.yuku.com/ mike_brewer

        Steve,  I do know some of the circumstances but not  all of them. And the only thing that triggered the question was the dialogue here about Miles Simon. I believe that Mike Fisher was a bit scapegoated with the Simon flap because his brother worked at the Kansas City Star.  True?
        He also came here from Washington and had a few subterranean details on Livengood that were not so flattering. Ergo, he had to go. True?

        • http://steveriveraventures.com Steve Rivera

          Mike, this is the first time Fisher’s name has been mentioned as a scapegoat for the entire event. I do not know or have heard his brother worked at KC Star. I was under another theory that was totally different and unprovable so I won’t go into it here. It’s a reason why Internet stuff gets its reputation. Everyone has their thoughts with no facts. I also wasn’t aware of the problems Fisher and Livengood had, if any. Maybe his firing was coincidental in its timing. This was 10-11 years ago. His name was never mentioned and I was in the middle doing stories. That story at the time wasn’t about Miles but about the leak. Miles story had already been written and was old. You’re connecting dots that may not exist, or maybe they do. One guy is no longer alive.

          • http://pointmantucson.yuku.com/ mike_brewer

            Thanks for responding Steve. Just thought the way the commentary was going that you may have had some retrospective perspective that would enlighten the readers.
            The Internet also has a reputation of being the extant replacement for the vanishing skill of investigative reporting, or at least budgeted investigative reporting.  Bloggers,  the skilled ones, are beginning to carry their own insurance as they venture into stories that are completely anchored in fact and corroborated with interviews and research. The irony of the times is that some bloggers have more time to accomplish this task then do the conventional journalists at the dailies. Sad, but true.  We need skilled journalists, as yourself, now, more then ever.
            My knowledge of Mike Fisher came first as a friend and one of the “Band of Brothers,” called Marines.  The balance of my awareness of his saga came as a private investigator on retainer.
            I will let the narrative end there.  Keep up the quality work you are contributing to the Tucson Citizen.

  • NogalesJerry

    Hey, what about this guy for an AD.  Moredich did a piece about him once:
    http://forum.goazcats.com/archive/index.php/t-39193.html

    • steveriveraventures

      Way too early for him to be an AD here. Shelton needs to hit a home run on this one, just as there was pressure for Livengood to hit a home run with Miller.

  • oldwest2

    mike_brewer and Steve…..i have not a clue who “Mike Fisher” is or was, i agree whole heartedly with mikes comment  ”The irony of the times is that some bloggers have more time to accomplish this task then do the conventional journalists at the dailies. Sad, but true.  We need skilled journalists, as yourself, now, more then ever.”
    One of the reasons i enjoy reading opinions by others is,  it gives me a perspective on subject matter that i may not of thought about or for that matter even known about.

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