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Where have all the angry children come from?

by on Dec. 10, 2011, under Education

Yesterday was Pearl Harbor Day and in honor of the date I participated in a re-enactment of the famous event. For this production I played the harbor and a five year old girl from the class next to mine played the part of the attacking force.

When I arrived in her class at the behest of her teacher she was curled up on the floor making loud, odd noises. Her teacher told me she had asked her to stop, and had redirected her to sit in time out but the student had refused.

Normally faced with this situation I would offer her a choice of standing up and walking out with me or I would carry her. However I had left my class alone so I simply reached down and picked her up.

That is when the re-creation began.

She kicked me, she screamed, she hit me, she punched me, she scratched me, she reached for the pen in my pocket but I blocked her from getting that (see below) when we arrived in my room, the longest thirty foot stroll of the year so far, I told her she could sit in a chair while I continued teaching. As soon as I sat her down she jumped up to run away, I grabbed her and sat her back in the chair and reaching with one available hand pulled my chair over next to hers so I could hold her in her seat. I did so with a containment hold, circling my arms around her forming a ‘ring’ that she could bounce off but not leave. She continued to scratch, hit and try to escape. I mentioned to her as matter of fact as I could, that when she stopped trying to get away I would let her sit by herself in the chair. Then I went on with my math lesson (thank goodness it was math and not reading!)

Her screaming continued at a very high level, several of my students complained that she was hurting their ears. A couple of them, to their credit, gently tried to talk her out of her tantrum. One of my students actually said, “You may as well give up, he won’t.”

I have long enjoyed a reputation for dealing well with the tough kids.  Well, OK, “enjoyed” is not the right word. But there is something in my manner that can calm them, at least after twenty minutes or so. I think it is just that I seem unflappable. I’m not, but I seem to be. I also give choices. I rarely tell a child “You must do this.” I tell them, “Here are your choices.” Of course I never offer a choice I am not willing to deliver on. Hence my common offer of, “You can walk or I will carry you.” There is no question about whether they are leaving the room. Still, I think children are not given enough opportunities to learn about making choices and living with the consequences. It is a critical life-skill.

I am not magic, I have had my failures, many more than I care to remember, like the kid who tried to stab me in the neck with a sharp pencil (see above). I am always cautious if they have a sharp object in their hand.

And, as in this case, it is sometimes true I do not have time to offer a choice, we needed to get back. My own class this year has more than it’s share of volatile children.

Back to Pearl; the Arizona, my math lesson, was a smoldering wreck, in all it took about twenty minutes. The little girl finally calmed, or became mesmerized by my command of the second grade math curriculum, and I removed what was left of my arms. She sat quietly until it was time to go to lunch, went to lunch with us and then returned to her class, where we all had cookies and milk and lived happily ever after. No.

I would like to say that this is an unusual situation but it is not. A colleague of mine at another school shared that she has initiated paperwork on five students in her class who are likely improperly placed and possibly emotionally disturbed. She says all have exhibited dangerous, angry behaviors. This is not just some teacher – she is Nationally Board Certified. As a leader in my association I am constantly hearing stories about children endangered by the erratic actions of other students. Teachers too are vulnerable. A good friend of mine, one of the gentlest men I know, was attacked, punched repeatedly, by an angry ten year old yesterday.

Angry children appear to be epidemic.

Where have they all come from and why now?

I have a couple theories and they are problems not easily fixed.

First, I believe we have sent a message that anything can happen and it can happen here and now. Instant news and reality TV make situations that were once seen as aberrant, commonplace. Children are exposed to far too much information they simply do not need and it multiplies the stress upon them exponentially. To put it simply, it scares them.

Second, I believe we have abdicated good parenting skills both voluntarily and involuntarily. I know that most families cannot make a good living without at least two full-time incomes if not one of them also having a second job. I am not indicting them for this, it is a financial reality that I myself lived through for many years. Because so much of their time is consumed by work it is easy to allow children to turn to TV or computer games as a source of at least partial day care while parents are getting dinner or doing the shopping and actual day care is a 6am to 6pm reality for many children.

Finally, and this may be the most worrisome for me because it contains an element of the unknown, I think we are doing something damaging to our children that we have not yet identified. It is my worst case, unintended consequences scenario. It may be the massive rise in microwaves passing through our bodies with the inception of new wireless technology. Or it might be additives that we are using to supplement or enhance food resources. It could be simply the increase of very young children being exposed to electronic media that is contributing to the rise in autism spectrum disorders. The haunting part of this problem may just be it is a combination of all these factors and something yet unrecognized.

I do not mean to say that all children are out of control. Most of my class this year are hard-working, involved students who love to learn. Unfortunately one unruly child can effectively disable any lesson, two or three can make the room chaotic and four or five, not unheard of in our current enlarged classrooms, can cause the best of teachers to believe the whole world has gone insane.

This is my fear: We are responsible for this. When I say it haunts me, I am not crediting it sufficiently, I wake up some nights wondering about it, I have dreamt horrific dreams about scores of angry children that I cannot reach. I fear they are legion and I know it is our fault.

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  • amdachel

    Thank you for this provocative piece. As a teacher with decades of experience, I too have seen enormous changes in the way children behave. As the mother of two vaccine-injured children, I question the safety of an ever-expanding, one-size-fits-all vaccination schedule. Tens of thousands of parents report that their kids were born healthy and were developing normally until they received certain routine vaccinations. Suddenly they changed. Many stopped talking and lost learned skills. Many started to display aggressive behaviors that made them a danger to themselves and to others. One percent of children now have autism. Almost two percent of boys alone now have autism. One in six children have a learning problem.

     Generation Rescue vaccination ad http://njvaccinationchoice.org/docs/genrescue.pdf Health officials deny any problems with the vaccine program and they have lots of pharma-funded studies to prove it. Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism http://www.ageofautism.com/

    • WhiteandNerdy

      No, The vaccine schedule is not one size fits all. The data clearly shows that the children were not developing normally prior to the vaccination–and that the anti-vaccs try to hide this. The data showing that 1+% of kids have an ASD goes back for decades. The GenerationRescue advert isn’t even written at a middle-school level. And the fund sources are still in the papers–funding comes from many non-pharma sources. If your intent was to demonstrate why the vaccines cause autism crowd is marginalized to the Net–you have succeeded. W&N

      • Bronwyn

        Children are now vaccinated at birth with the Hep B vaccine.  It is no longer possible to observe a child’s normal development ‘prior’ to vaccination.

        • WhiteandNerdy

          That has nothing to do with the falsehoods posted by Ms Dachel.  And it is true for some countries–not all. It is also skips the mountain of data that autism occurs during early embryonic development. W&N

          • Cara

            W&N – Please share links to that data, if you would.

            • WhiteandNerdy

              Sure. Which one are you interested in? W&N

          • Stephanie

            What mountains of data is that, in which autism occurs early in embryonic development?  Besides  most pregnant women are now recieving either a Flu shot or Rhogam vaccine DURING pregnancy.  That is certainly having an effect on the fetus or developing embryo.  Thimerosal is known to ”alter genetic material” and can cause” fetal changes”, look up material saftey data sheet on thimerosal on  ELI LILLYs own site. So even if there is “mountans” of data it still proves nothing except that the damage has been done by vaccines before they are born.

            • WhiteandNerdy

              Interesting isn’t how some data keeps getting left out by the vaccine critics?  As I recall the first data showing the embryonic origins of autism was published in 1971. Pubmed works well.  You can spend a very long time reading on the data on the etiology of autism.  Here is a good place to start:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1637814/pdf/envhper00312-0039.pdf “Evidence of abnormal neuronal migration appears to be present in the brain stem, cerebellum, and the cortex. These abnormalities indicate that the brain lesions in autism occurred very early in fetal development.” I like this because it is free full-text and more than a decade old.  Lots and lots more data has accumulated since this was published. If you do start fact-checking you will quickly figure out that one can’t determine the safety of thimerosal by only looking at the MSDS. Here is the Lilly MSDS–you didn’t read it before posting did you? I agree that vaccinating pregnant women is at least plausible to cause autism, but the data says it doesn’t.http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/126/4/656.long Another free full-text. Have fun reading. W&N

              • Stephanie

                Your link does nothing but prove my point that the vaccines(environment) are damaging  fetuses in utero .The title itself  first ” The  ENVIRONMENT as an etiologic factor in autism” then in the first paragraph states  “Although believed to be highly genetic NO ABNORMAL GENES HAVE BEEN FOUND. Recent findings in autism and in related disorders point to the possibility that the disease is caused by a gene -ENVIRONMENT (vaccines during pregnancy) interaction.” the qoute you stated also does nothing but prove the point that damage has been done in utero.  I have read the MSDS in full I am looking at it right now as I have a papaer copy and have read it many times, your link on that subject is NOT from Eli Lilly it is however a study that the AAP allowed to be published in it’s own magazine- not very convincing as proof that thimerosal is safe.    One more thing you yourself addmited that vaccination during pregnancy is a plausible cause of autism.  Thank you again for proving my point for me. 

                • WhiteandNerdy

                  Since the data presented pre-dates vaccination of pregnant women, your claim it”does nothing but prove my point that the vaccines(environment) are damaging fetuses in utero” is clearly an incorrect conclusion. Here again is the Lilly MSDS (it didn’t post the first time):http://www.vaccine-tlc.org/docs/Thimerosal%20Material%20Safety%20Data%20Sheet.pdf You don’t seemed to have correctly read it.  Here is the MSDS for table salt:
                  http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9927593Which is mutagenic and lethal by oral, or dermal or inhalation exposure–so according to you we shouldn’t eat salt?No, you just skipped over the fact that it is impossible to determine the safety based solely on reading the MSDS. Just because you don’t like the data doesn’t make it wrong.  You skipped over the fact that many of the authors of the Pediatrics paper are from a health insurance company.  They have huge incentives to get the data correct and if vaccines caused autism then their profits would increase significantly.  W&N

                  • Stephanie

                    Let me start by saying that the flu vaccine was  first being used in 1945 andRhogam was first introduced in 1968  so there is no telling who recieved them or when and to make such an assumtion that no pregnant woman recieved them before 1980′s or 90′s is foolish.  Do not put words in my mouth i never said we sould not eat salt, furthemore we are not talking about salt.  Second your link for Lillys MSDS is not connecting so let me try,
                       http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/media/6.18.pdf
                    or if you do not like that one try;
                       http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsld=9925236 
                     Next let us all remember it is mercury we are talking about here, something that is considered a bad substace in all other topics except when we are talking vaccines and injecting into our bodies, then pro-vaxers claim there is no harm that can happen from this heavy metal, what planet do you think that makes any sense on????  Lastly you again are not making strong points for your case when you state “…many of the authors of the pediatrics paper are from a health insurance company. They have huge incentives to get the data correct and if vaccines caused autism then their profits would increase significantly.”   That in and of itself is a conflict of interest. I also do not see how they would profit by proving that vaccines cause autism, if they did so the ins. company may acctualy have to start paying for more treatments and therapies than they do now. And the ins.companies are all buisness associates with big-pharm anyway.  BTW, you admitted yourself that vaccines during pregnancy is a plausible cause of autism  , so my conclusion that the environment is damaging fetuses inutero could not be that far off if you agreed that it is plausible, and the study YOU posted  say the environment is playing a role in autism in the title and content of the paper.

                    • WhiteandNerdy

                      (1) except the flu vaccine wasn’t given to pregnant women when this data was generated and the Rhogram (when given) is used very late in pregnancy–well after the described neuronal developmental errors occurred.  Clearly your assertion that vaccination/rhogram caused these errors to occur is impossible.  (2) you didn’t follow the point (that you can’t determine safety based solely on reading the MSDS, and you still haven’t correctly read your own document.  There are good reasons why toxicologists do not support the anti-vaccs arguments.  (3) again you didn’t follow the argument.  You didn’t even want to discuss the Pediatrics paper.  I simply pointed out that if there is a bias, their financial incentive would be against vaccines.  W&N

                    • Tip O’Neill

                      Allow me to but in and correct this. Rhogam is not a “vaccine” and it is not given to pregnant women.

                      It is given to some women AFTER birth to prevent  them from developing antibodies. 

                    • WhiteandNerdy

                      Top,

                      Sometimes it is given to pregnant women.
                      http://www.rhogam.com/Professional/RhoGAMBrandDosing/Pages/PreciseDosingInstructions.aspx

                      And it can be classified as a passive vaccination.

                      W&N

                    • Mark in Sandy Eggo

                      Shephanie said:
                       
                      Next let us all remember it is mercury we are talking about here, something that is considered a bad substace in all other topics except when we are talking vaccines and injecting into our bodies, then pro-vaxers claim there is no harm that can happen from this heavy metal, what planet do you think that makes any sense on????
                       
                      Mercury, eh?  Be aware that those cute curly compact florescent light bulbs have mercury in them.  To avoid presumed global warming, we have inundated our houses with mercury.   Breaking a light bulb is now a HAZMAT incident.  But, you can be safe with the old fashioned incandescent light bulbs, until they become illegal to sale on Jan 1st. 

              • Marie-Anne Denayer

                Autism in 1971 was the autism I learned about in Med School. It was present from birth, and the affected kids were never “normal”. It was also exceedingly rare affecting 1 in 10 to 50.000 children. By the time I graduated in 1981, I had been told by neurologists and psychiatrists, that I would probably never come across a case in my career. I went on to become a neurologist.  In the summer of 1988, about to give birth to my 3rd baby, my 2 years and 8 months old son and my 14 months little girl wer my pride and joy. Both were ahead in their development milestones, and both had extensive vocabularies in both English and French. My son is now an engineer. My daughter will depend on me for the rest of her life. The MMR she received in the summer of 1988, was followed by 3 days of extremely high fever. The fever subsided, but my daughter ceased to laugh and giggle, over the following 5 months, her speech not only stopped progressing, but her words disappeared one after the other. Two days before Christmas of 1988, my daughter uttered her last spoken word: “attention”, French for “be careful” while going down our spinal staircase.
                The autism study you are referring to, aside from being outdated, does not explain the epidemic regressive autism, that has come to plague generation(s) of kids born since the mid Eighties. Listen to the teachers and to the parents because they are at the frontline of the epidemic, unlike the vaccine manufacturers and those who administer the ever groing number of the required vaccines.

                • WhiteandNerdy

                  There are numerous problems with your analysis.  (1) children with autism typically do improve with time, sometimes to the point that they no longer have autism–an observation that goes back to Kanner.  (2)  The historical data on autism rates are clearly wrong and certainly can not be compared with modern rates of ASD.  The data shows that by the 1980′s ASDs affected 1% of kids.  (3)  Your daughter’s medical history is very typical and to attribute the autism to the vaccination is clearly a logical error.  It is inconsistent with the etiology of autism and clearly subject to recall bias.  Your argument is indefensible.  (4)  As stated above, the reference was provided because it is a free full-text.  And as stated above there are many, many more subsequent confirmatory studies.  (5) Regressive autism was documented decades before the 1980s–got any data to suggest that it has become more common?  You might want to think about Rhett–which is 100% genetic ASD  (6)  Next time someone has a serious neurological problem you are going to recommend they get medical advise from teachers and parents??? Of course not, just like we should get our science from actual scientists.  We have long since passed the point where any rational argument can be made that vaccines cause autism.  We are in the final stage:  the courts are now having to figure out which–if any–of the vaccines cause autism crowd is guilty of fraud. W&N

  • amdachel

    It’s stunning to consider that there’s never been a study done on the cumulative effect of so many vaccines so soon on the health of a child.
    CDC immunization schedulehttp://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/child/0-6yrs-schedule-pr.pdf  Vaccines are in combination at a well baby check, but they’re testing individually, often by the vaccine makers themselves. The FDA just accepts their findings. These vaccines contain toxic additives like mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde and more. Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism http://www.ageofautism.com/

    • WhiteandNerdy

      The FDA site still works. One can easily find safety data on giving vaccines in combination. One can easily find how their results are independently verified. What one can’t find is a rational argument from AoA. W&N

  • amdachel

    The Baltimore Sun published this story this past July, “We don’t know enough about childhood vaccines–Researcher asks: Are 36 doses of vaccine by age 2 too much, too little, or just right? ” The piece asked questions about vaccine safety claims when so much testing is missing.http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-vaccines-illness-20110711,0,7906966.story The LA Times recently published this stunning review of the new film, “Greater Good,” an in-depth look at the vaccine safety debate. http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/14/entertainment/la-et-capsules-greater-good20111014 Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism http://www.ageofautism.com/

  • amdachel

    The short trailer to the movie, the Great Good, on their website http://www.greatergoodmovie.org/experts-in-the-field makes it clear that there are experts on both side and a lot of serious questions that need to be asked. The medical community and health officials promote vaccines as the greatest achievement in modern medicine yet there is going fear over vaccine side effects.
    Claire Dwoskin from the National Vaccine Information Center and Leslie Manookian, producer and writer of new movie, “The Greater Good,” talked about vaccine safety claims with NY talk show host Thom Hartmann on Nov. 21. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38qPvdFit_U&feature=channel_video_title
    They discussed the poor design of the research used as proof that vaccines are safe. No one ever talks about this!
    Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism http://www.ageofautism.com/

    • WhiteandNerdy

      Correction: a bunch of clueless people said a bunch of silly things about vaccine safety data. Since their criticisms are without merit, they are universally rejected. W&N

      • ako

        W&N,
        Who are you?  I’m trying to learn about this very complex and emotional issue, and you seem to be everywhere, particularly in response to Ms. Dachel’s comments. She shares her affiliation which gives me some context. What is yours? You seem to be quite passionate on the subject of vaccine safety. Just curious. 

        • WhiteandNerdy

          Fair enough. I am a parent, a member of the autism community.I am appalled by the on-going vaccines cause autism healthcare fraud that (amongst other things) has bankrupted families in our community and in some cases grievously injured or killed our kids. I am equally appalled by bogus for-profit organizations that are suppose to represent our community but instead make money with falsehoods and personal attacks. And I am active in a autism support group and have found it extremely helpful that when parents say they read X on the Net to be able to fact check with them and (more to the point) to be able to show where the facts have previously been pointed out.  Most parents find this process very enlightening. Clear? W&N

  • amdachel

    There are experts on both sides of the vaccine controversy.
    See the book, Vaccine Epidemic http://www.amazon.com/Vaccine-Epidemic-Corporate-Coercive-Government/dp/1616082720and the National Vaccine Information Center http://www.nvic.org/.
    Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism http://www.ageofautism.com/

    • WhiteandNerdy

      Experts? Ms Fisher of NVIC was called by scientists a liar about vaccines. She didn’t like this and sued.  She lost. And these are the best “experts” that you can find to support your POV? W&N

  • leftfield

    There is no controversy about the safety and effectiveness and, indeed, the vital need for childhood vaccination amongst health care professionals.  This has been studied and studied without any association being made between vaccination and the behavioral and physical disorders that some claim are caused by vaccination.  The only real controversy is about what to do with children who, with their lack of vaccination protection, are vulnerable to life-threatening illness and the parents whose failure to vaccinate their children puts us all at risk of outbreaks of previously controlled diseases.   As to the tendency for the vaccine-phobic and climate change-deniers to imagine giant conspiracies to explain away all evidence contrary to their firmly-held but mistaken beliefs, science has yet to provide a cure.

    • tunkashila

      You are wrong, sir.  There is a great deal of controversy in the medical world about the safety and efficacy of various vaccines, just as there is with climate change.  This is not conspiracy, merely an inconvenient fact.  Speaking as one with a younger relative damaged by the MMR and DPT vaccines, your characterization of people who discern the obvious link between certain vaccines and autism and other behavioral and physical disorders as phobic deniers is insulting and arrogant. 
       
      In light of your postings in other areas, it is clear that any who disagree with what you consider “settled” science will be labeled as conspiracy theorists or whatever other tired epithets you care to attach.   I am sure you will, in your ignorance, level the same charges at me.  The sad part is you honestly seem to believe your rhetoric, ensuring you will never explore beyond your comfort zone and that a fresh generation of unsuspecting children will be damaged. 
       
      Do I believe that vaccines damage all kids?  Certainly not-I and many others are living proof that is not the case.  But unless and until science comes up with credible answers to the questions posed by situations like that of my nephew, who was a normal child before receiving the vaccines mentioned above, you and those of your ilk are the ones living in denial.

      • Andy

        To start with, I am very sorry that your nephew suffered harm.  But I disagree with your argument:  there is no controversy in the scientific world about the critical facts about vaccine safety or climate change.  I challenge you to point to “a great deal of controversy” (or any controversy at all) in the medical world concerning this basic thesis:  the risk of not vaccinating children is far higher than the risk of vaccination.
        There is a tiny risk to vaccination, yes.  I would call it insignificant.  There’s a risk if you raise a child in a house wired with electricity, or if you take a child outside.  It’s insignificant.  Also, yes — autism spectrum disorders (ASDs) are apparently on the rise (it’s not just a change in diagnosis patterns).  But there is no evidence of a link between vaccination and ASD.  And those childhood diseases that the vaccines prevent?  They are deadly.  Autism is tragic, but there is no sign of a link between the vaccines and ASD:

        1998:  Andrew Wakefield publishes paper speculating on a link between MMR vaccine and ASD.  He recommends administering the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccinations separately.  Some coauthors strongly disagree, withdraw their names.
        late 90s:  Japan replaces MMR vaccine with three separate vaccines.
        2002:  Thimerosal removed from all US-mfgr’d vaccines.
        2004:  10 of 13 authors of the Wakefield paper request The Lancet to withdraw it.
        2005:  In Japan, a study finds no effect on ASD since the withdrawal of MMR — ASD has kept rising unchanged.
        2007:  a U of Missouri study shows that thimerosal (in RhIG injections) has no discernable effect on rates of ASD.
        2007:  First death by measles in the UK in 14 years.
        2008:  Columbia U. and the CDC try to replicate Wakefield’s results; they find no evidence of a link between MMR and ASD.
        2008:  In England and Wales, 1348 cases of measles.  Two children die of measles.
        2009:  Wakefield exposed as a fraud:  investigative reporting reveals that “virtually all” of his subjects had developed autism symptoms before vaccination.
        2009:  US Court of Federal Claims rules against suits claiming thimerosal caused autism.
        2010:  A study of children vaccinated on-schedule and off-schedule showed no evidence that on-schedule vaccination causes harm.
        2010:  The Lancet finally withdraws Wakefield’s paper.

        Why did Wakefield do it?  For the money.  He and his colleagues received £3.4 million to produce “research” that would support a lawsuit.  He’s just a phony.  http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2007/01/6446.ars
        The funding for studies trying to debunk this myth came not only from pharma (who I grant are morally bankrupt) but also from the public health agencies who don’t want outbreaks of measles and mumps.  Give public health scientists some credit:  they want to do good science and keep everyone healthy.  They spend years in training, learning to test hypotheses fairly and to resist bias — including the confirmation bias that they are often accused of.  Yes, there are bounders and cranks out there like Wakefield and the pro-tobacco “researchers,” but such rascals are rare.  Most scientists really want to find the truth.  What they are “living in denial” of is the fallacy post hoc ergo propter hoc.
        I get agitated about this because autism is so devastating, and we are in a witch hunt.  That is, we are wasting energy debating vaccine policy, and there is no scientific evidence against vaccines.  Autism is at an all-time high, and instead of working on that, we’re arguing for and against MMR, the ghost of thimerosal, and the vaccination schedule.  This helps no one.

        • tunkashila

          All right, your challenge is accepted.  Here is a link to 100 different scientific studies demonstrating ill effects from vaccination:
           
          http://www.activistpost.com/2011/09/100-compiled-studies-on-vaccine-dangers.html
           
          Everything from cancer and paralysis to brain swelling and death.  Oh yes, and autism.  BTW, I’d be careful before piling on Dr. Wakefield as his critics have their own problems regarding ethics.  Apparently you (with the full complicity of the mainstream media as well) missed that he was exonerated of the charges against him earlier this year: 
           
          http://www.naturalnews.com/031116_Dr_Andrew_Wakefield_British_Medical_Journal.html
           
          Then again, your timeline didn’t go that far.  You are correct, however, that autism is at an all-time high.  And speaking of thimerosal, it’s funny how the rates of autism in Denmark dropped once they mandated this mercury-based additive be removed from the vaccines they bought for their population over a decade ago.  Make of it what you will, but please don’t be so disingenuous as to suggest that no science supports the position I hold.
           
          And as for leftfield, I really don’t care if my definitions are in line with his or allopathic medical practitioners.  He’s right that my relationship to someone damaged by vaccines doesn’t make me an expert on autism-I don’t make such a claim.  But between my family’s experience and the experts who performed the studies linked above, I will continue to stand in the skeptic’s corner where this issue is concerned.
           

      • leftfield

        “There is a great deal of controversy in the medical world about the safety and efficacy of various vaccines, just as there is with climate change.”

        Your definition of “great deal” is out of line with mine and out of line with both modern medicine’s and climate science’s definition.  If memory serves, the tobacco industry hunted up a few dissenters and also tried to parlay that into “a great deal of controversy” over the connection between smoking and cancer.  

        I am sorry about your nephew, but being related to someone suffering from illness does not make you an expert on that illness.     

  • JD

    I think the key to this story is a 5 year old! I think if one is a parent one can easily see the issue, 5 year olds come in many varities, and depends on the day one has to deal with them! I think if one does not know how to figure out how to handle a 5 year old without loosing their sanity, cool one ought to find a different career choice! 2 year olds throw temper tantrums so do 5 year olds, cannot say why, but they do, one can learn to deal with it as a adult in a adult manner or get ones self in trouble by abusing the child doing something both illegal and unethical, anyone who denigrates a child is telling more about themselves than they realize! A child has a excuse for not acting like a adult, what is the adults excuse? Teachers are not all fit for being teachers, much as not all parents can handle the job, one see’s it every day in the news with some frustrated parent going to jail for child abuse or worse! Teachers are not saints, nor can they fix a unruly childs moments of temper tantrum, but one can use common sense, and not do something to anger the parents who send their kids to school to be taught, not to be abused, sexually molested, one see’s arrogant teachers loosing their jobs for loosing their self control, a principle in North Carolina was forced to retire for suspending a 9 year old for telling one of his teachers she was cute, was accused of sexual actions like a sex offender, he was lucky they let him retire, I would have fired him with no pension! If you don’t want the job, cannot handle the job seek employment else where!

  • barbaraj

    I’ve witnessed many “angry” children, and I do NOT see it as bad parenting or exposure to scary tv, I see it as a level of brain damage and a painful way to go for far too many kids. I agree, pesticides, vaccines, lead poisoned toys, fluoride, and on present as dangerous neurotoxins for the developing brain. Our children are not being protected and we aren’t outraged?? why ??!! One in six suffers a neurological disorder, and again, we aren’t holding the cdc the fda or the epa responsible for failing them! Why not? Because corporate America, big pharmaceuticals, trump the welfare of babies ..always….no problem mandating for pesticide spraying schools…adding another vaccine to the schedule…stupidity abounds.

    • WhiteandNerdy

      If there is any “stupidity” that would be the people that refuse to look at the facts and see the vaccines cause autism for the fraud that it is. There is lots of outrage.  The courts are clearly outraged by the anti-vaccs wasting their time if bogus legal actions, unethical conduct, and outright lies. Of course, dishonest sites deal with this by lying to parents and telling them that you can’t sue for vaccine injuries.  I suppose because almost no one could read the court records and believe the anti-vaccs… But then it turns out that you can fool some of the people all of the time… W&N

      • Bronwyn

        The vaccine court and Hanna Polling disagree with you.

        • WhiteandNerdy

          You have never actually read the court ruling have you? If you did you would see another aspect of the fraud occurring right before your eyes. W&N

  • Jen

    I have been an educational assistant for the last 10 years, part time. 20 years ago I worked with Early Intervention as well as working as a behaviour consultant for 5 years. I did work in an institution for severely/ profoundly handicapped children when first in the work force before de- institutionalization became the norm.
    I completely know what you mean about the angry/psychiatrically disturbed children. It has become all too common. I remember from working at the institution that most of those kids had known etiology of their conditions- hydrocephalus, down syndrome, cerebral palsy, other syndromes. There were not very darned many for whom they just didn’t know what was wrong. E system is jammed with these kids and the overflow is amazing. There is hardly any class that doesn’t have a child with selective mutism, ODD, aspergers, autism, severe ADHD anymore. I know what I think the damaging, unidentified cause is: vaccines. I am 51 and yes, there was even a kid in one of my elementary classes with hyperactivity disorder but the number of children with problems has sky rocketed, right along with the vaccine schedule. I am worried that young teachers just see it as normal, though. I am very happy to have had a friend who encouraged me to vaccinate selectively. Hep b’ing infants is beyond crazy and chicken pox? Give me a break…

    • Andy

      Thanks for the stories.  I agree with you that something is up:  my intuition tells me there is some horrible environmental factor that is damaging all these young lives.  Maybe it’s the ubiquitous antibacterials (they’re everywhere!), or pesticides, or prions in the meat.  But I doubt that vaccines are to blame, as I detailed in a long post above.  Scientists have been looking so hard for a connection between cognitive development and immunizations (including the immunogens, the preservatives, and the timing).  They have found nothing, nothing, and more nothing.  It’s time to start looking elsewhere for the villain.
      As for Hep B and chicken pox:  CDC says that before widespread vaccination, 100+ people died annually of chicken pox.  And everyone (like me) who gets it has a chance of getting shingles in old age.
      I was going to agree with you about Hepatitis B, until I started googling, and it looks like the story is more complicated.  I read the anti-vax argument on mercola.com but I think Dr. M. is wrong:  he says Hep B isn’t such a bad illness, but his evidence is based on adults, not children.  Yet when it occurs, Hep B infection is devastating to children.  He also argues that Hep B is extraordinarily rare for kids, since the disease is supposedly all about illicit drug use and unsafe sex.  To be blunt, I think his argument is white-biased.  In the anglo world, maybe that’s so.  But the CDC says in populations with high endemic Hep B — mostly peoples of color — children under 5 get infected “frequently” and that early vaccination will help 150,000 such American infants a year (http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00033405.htm).  Mercola notes that induced immunity fades by age 12, but for kids in at-risk populations, those first twelve years of protection are very important.  Yet he raises an excellent point:   the vaccine’s safety is poorly studied for newborns.  If that’s true, then let’s rectify that.
      If there were a natural connection between vaccines and neuropathology, the scientific method should be able to discover it.  And scientists have tried.  I think it’s time we start looking elsewhere:  look into the perverse means we use to grow food in this country, the water contaminated by corporate negligence and malfeasance, the air polluted by millions of automobiles.  I don’t know what’s to blame, but I think we’ve pretty much ruled out immunizations.  That’s good news, since those immunizations prevent so much disease and death.

    • leftfield

      “…the number of children with problems has sky rocketed, right along with the vaccine schedule.”

      Correlation is not causation.   

    • JD

      I wonder if you would sing a different tune if you had a child who contracted polio, was crippled for life, or had a child die of swine flu, would you be so arrogant, so sure of yourself when you visited their graves? Folks who don’t vaccinate are fools, selfish, think of themselves not their children, fearing ADHD, ADD, autism is nice but one can love the child who has these issues, how does one hug ones child from the grave? It’s nice to speculate on vaccines and what they might do, but one does not have to speculate what small pox did, it was eradicted due to world wide vaccination, but we still keep the virus for future experimentation, even though they think its eradicated who is to say some where in this big wide world it does not lurk awaiting that crop of humans who have not been vaccinated, I think I will vaccinate my kids out of love, wanting to keep thems safe, alive and let the folks worry about all these myths, unproven theories of what if’s! Some folks have several degree’s, are so educated they are quite dumb to common sense things in life!

      • dent

        duh, there is a huge crop of humans not vaccinated for small pox: anyone born after 1968 or 1969… hello, that’s half the world’s population!  Just a little mutation to chicken pox and you won’t be vaccinated either. Again all you science nuts… Science is NOT infallible.  Science still totes most pesticides as “safe” enough… yet try reading the safety data sheet sometime… do a little chemistry yourself! Even better, do a little thinking yourself!  Why do you think mutation happens?  Think, think, and then think some more.  Scientists are not necessarily “evil”, greedy, charlatans, but they are human, with human foibles.
        Not getting vaccines may be dangerous, but I think you should admit that you have no idea how dangerous vaccination versus non-vaccination is! You may want to look at antibiotic resistant bacteria before you answer!

        • JD

          I am no scientist, in fact don’t even have a college degree, but with my meager high school diploma I think when and if some pandemic comes and you and those who think like you are running around in terror for not getting vaccinations, I will feel a bit of pity for you but if one has no common sense, all the education, degree’s in the world will not give one something as simple as common sense! There was a time small pox, yellow fever, cholrea, bubonic plague etc., etc. list is long were the scourges of mankind, life epectancy is high today due to “science/medicine”, at one time average life expectancy was less than 45…., now if some looney tunes in the world think that is a good thing, more power to you bubba!

          • dent

            Again, think about what you are saying!  A pandemic will not be chicken pox, or measles, or even polio, it will be something that has mutated into something that our immune systems can’t handle.  And at the rate we are going, destroying our immune systems with vaccines, antibiotics, unhealthy foods, and horrible toxins in our food, water and air, any little mutated bug should have no problem taking out most of us!  Good luck with your vaccines for bubonic plague, yellow fever, and cholera.

  • Jen

    So many of these kids show soft sign neurological damage. Anecdotally, I notice a lot of kids in Canada being diagnosed with seizure disorders in their teens. We give the hep b series at age 12 ish. Hmmmn…

  • Colt Cassidy

    “Where have all the angry children come from… long time passing?

    Where have all the angry children children come from… long time ago?

    Where have all the angry children come from? Lazy parents everywhere…

    When will they ever learn? When will they ever learn?”   

  • Rae

    W&N is a troll!  Don’t waste arguing with him/her/it.  You’re just playing into his/her/its game!

    • WhiteandNerdy

      We all understand. Anti-vaccs find it very threatening when I suggest that people actually read the FDA site or read the Polling decision.  Naturally you have to discourage people from following my suggestions and getting the facts, because the anti-vaccs simply aren’t truthful–which is why they are marginalized to posting on the Net. BTW–you used the term troll incorrectly.  Just par for the course…anything to avoid actually dealing with the facts/data/issues/science. W&N

  • JD

    Children have been angry since we started having them! One cannot trace this to any one thing, worrying about the what if’s of vaccination is a moot issue to me, I would rather hug my ADD son a million times in this life than visit his grave and cry over what if I had done something differently! I think some folks “adults” who go into the teaching field are lazy, unfit to be teachers, much as any career one finds some who excell at it and some who are failures and need to find a different career path in life, if one is an adult and cannot control their anger, frustration at a childs inability to control them tantrums they have as children how funny it is to think you can expect a child to do what you cannot do!

    • Andy

      There’s normal child anger, and there really is also pathological anger.  The author did not even mention vaccination.  I wouldn’t dismiss the basic idea (although I’m very skeptical that wireless communication could be to blame).
       

  • JD

    I wonder if this next pandemic comes the much feared bird flu which many fear will rival the “black death of the middle ages” that suspected bubonic plague {since even that scientists still debate on exactly which germ/virus caused it} will some choose to take that risk with their childrens lives and not vaccinate or will they choose to vaccinate! I have no questions, no doubts I will vaccinate, and be happy to hug my son alive and risking him going to a cemetery is not a “option”!

  • JD

    Unfortunately we live in a time when some value their ideals, views more than their own childrens lives, we have these looney tunes who starve their children with vegetarian diets, refuse to allow their kids to get medical care and let them die! I feel no sympathy what so ever when I read they go to court and get sent to prison! I pity the children for the unfortunate stroke of bad luck having such evil, vile selfish parents, how unfortnate that is!

  • http://tucsoncitizen.com/tucson-tails karyn

    My friend back East works in a psychiatric ward for children. She said one minute they are out of their mind angry like the author describes and the next they are comatose. Her theory is that so many mothers did drugs — meth, heroin, uppers, downers, diet pills, and had too many drinks while while pregnant. Also angry children at school watch abuse at home and are abused — physically, emotionally, and sexually.
    That’s my opinion.
    As a former teacher, I commend you for being in the classroom and trying to educate the ones who want to learn and the ones who don’t know how to because of these devastating behavioral hurdles.

  • Sarah

    I actually find it offensive when people say “the parents must  have used drugs” most autism parents I know DO NOT use drugs nor do we abuse our kids.  I was very careful during my pregnancy and didn’t even eat tuna.  Why can’t people see that environmental toxins either from too many vaccines and/or from pesticides on the food we eat are poisoning our kids.  Perhaps these kids are acting out aggressively because they are having a reaction to the meds they are on many of which are prescribed off-label.   There is such a thing as drug induced psychosis which can happen with prescription meds.   It could be the meds could be making them toxic and causing them to act out.

    • leftfield

      “Why can’t people see that environmental toxins either from too many vaccines and/or from pesticides on the food we eat are poisoning our kids.”

      Unfortunately, whenever there are diseases for which the cause or causes remain elusive, people develop their own hypotheses and present these hypotheses as fact, when it is actually nothing but wild, baseless speculation.  The truth is that, for now, the underlying etiology of ASD is unknown.   

      • dent

        Quote:
        Unfortunately, … , people develop their own hypotheses..
        I think what you meant to say is that people develop their own BELIEFS.  Hypothesis are tested with tests that are designed to prove the hypothesis wrong!
        / If the “hypothesis” in question are held by the public, then they must be wrong.  If they are held by a corporation trying to make a buck they must be right.  /end sarcasm
         
         

      • Sarah

        Actually a lot is known about autism due to recent research. Autism has been linked to mitochondrial dysfunction. UC Davis researchers discovered that 65% of kids with autism they examined have a problem with cellular energy metabolism due to a mitochondrial dysfunction. Mitochondria, the organelles that supply energy to all the cells in the body, are very sensitive to viruses and toxins in the environment.  Researchers like Dr. Buie at MGH and Dr. Pardo at Johns Hopkins also have found chronic inflammation in the GI and brain of children with autism. So much has been learned about the underlying physiological causes of  ASD.   More research is needed on the effects of environmental toxins on the mitochondria. This includes mutiple vaccines given according to the CDC schedule as well as pesticides on food. 

  • Beth

    I think it is the aluminum in the vaccines given to children in multiples at well visits that is causing the anger and minimal brain damage.  No one has bothered to add up the cumulative micrograms at each well visit except for Dr. Robert Sears, it seems.  A Canadian researcher named Chris Shaw is doing research on the neurotoxic effect of aluminum on the brain.  It is worthwhile reading considering the rise in Alzheimer’s and the known finding of aluminum in the brains of those afflicted with AD.  I don’t understand the verbal venom from some people who can’t seem to understand that there are some toxic components in vaccines, and it is not true that the more the merrier, or safer in this case, when it comes to an injected pharmaceutical product.  

  • Steve

    I have the same feeling that children in recent years, including my own, are not as consistently able to master their conduct in a constructive manner, as kids have in the past. I’m sure every generation says that, but I also believe its true. Wish we had a good way to measure it objectively.

    I don’t think TV is the harbinger of bad behavior. I watched plenty and learned much from Sesame Street. Yes, programs are more quick paced and violent than in the past. That likely has some effect. I’m sure cowboys shooting Indians wasn’t great years ago either. All in all, I don’t think my young kids see or pay attention to Britainy Spears, Lindsey Lohann or Jersey Shore, and then decide to go become a limelight frenzied drama freakazoid at elementary school.

    Parenting has always had room for improvement and always will. My parenting is probably pretty good. I don’t abuse my kids to the point of them being terrified to make the slightest mistake in school or anywhere. It was very effective when my parents did it, but that was outweighed by the downside. I can do positive parenting 99% of the time, and my kids are good as much of the time. I am very sensitive to a teacher blaming parents. I’m sure that is often the issue with some problem kids, and always will be for the foreseeable future, but not generally THE issue with significantly worsening behavior on a wide scale as we are discussing here.

    I’m sure it is multifaceted. Hard to tease out the primary factor from so many candidates. I’d put vaccines low on the list. I’ve read both sides. The many studies suggest it is not “the” factor. I am scientific. I wouldn’t dismiss it as a concern that may affect a very small percentage in a very bad way. I had a big patch of skin on my arm turn another color when I got a vaccination as a kid. That one really, really hurt me, and every time I see it in the mirror, I think about it, and I am wary. However, my dad had polio and couldn’t walk for many years. It affected his life, and in turn mine. I will line right up for a vaccine. I avoided thimerisol for the most part if there was an option, until the original author recently admitted he had falsified his study. However, I didn’t read that this kid was autistic … just acting up, like an out of body experience. That I see in my own kids on occasion, and many others. That is the point of the discussion.

    My vote goes to diet. When my kids have a TUSD school lunch, instead of a home lunch, my x-wife says it’s night and day. They are either melted down, mad, sad, fatiigued, or violently at each others throats when being picked up from school. Home lunch … no problem … or very few … nothing to blog about at any rate. The school lunch leaves much to be desired. Again, I’m a scientist. I want hard data in big enough numbers to be significant without cooking the results of a paper. I do see peer academics cook numbers now and then. Read the Feingold Diet, on Wikipedia. There is a study of NY, where over a million students had their lunch program modified to remove unhealthy additives or choices. You may think you know what “unhealthy” is. You may be right. I’ve only met a few people in my life that really understand good diet. In any case, standardized test score for a million kids went up about a standard deviation. That’s huge. You’d be hard pressed to falsify independent test scores for a million kids. Of course, makers of foods with enormous shelf life seek to discredit the diet. Many kids with behaior problems and allergies … it vanished. Not all. A significant number. When I was a kid, I didn’t know anyone who even knew anyone with a food allergy. Today, most classes have a kid or two with severe allergies. I’d say this, … diet, is the most prominent of many factors affecting child behavior on a broad scale, and its the easiest to correct. New lunch program for TUSD, and 15% more kids in the district are at grade level on their tests next year. Can you imagine anything that would have such an impact? Can you imagine it has already been shown with over 1,000,000 kids, decades ago? We could propose it, … referendum, pass it, and see it happen. Many kids, not all, overcome ADHD symptoms enough to drop meds. Many fewer sick days, and fewer suspensions of otherwise aggressive kids. I’d like to try it. I feed my kids well when I can. I’d like to see their peers fed too, so class isn’t disrupted by misbehavior so often. Parenting magically seems to be really good when kids aren’t in diet induced meltdown mode.

    Food for your thoughts, and theirs.

  • don

    take away spanking, you take the only tool that has worked for centuries.  kids have not learned fear and therfore have no respect,

    • JD

      Wow, do love the looney tunes, corporal punishment existed for not only kids but adults, one could be flogged for crimes in a bygone era, even hanged for some crimes today one considers trivial! A historian in 1700′s was observing a public hanging of several “pick pocket thieves” in ole england, the cheering crowds of spectators which came to view the event like a picnic event were being worked by “pick pockets” as this historian observed them the spectators were to busy watching the condemned pick pockets get their death by hanging, which was supposed to deter the crime! I do believe some folks live in fantasy and some in some form of delusions of grandeur that mankind ever had a utopian world! I don’t think I seen any listed in any history books I read in school!

      • Mark in Sandy Eggo

        I think you dismiss don’s comment too quickly.
         
        I know growing up in the 60s/70s, it was not uncommon especially for boys to get a swat.  I even got one once, and I was pretty much an angel as a kid.  One time in 7th grade, I had completed a 1/2 hour test in 5 minutes (I was one of THOSE kids), I got bored, and started throwing my latest design of paper airplane at another guy that had finished.  Well, my plane took an unexpected right turn (maybe that was foreshadowing), and landed on the teacher’s desk.  For this, I got a swat, and even then I knew I deserved it.  I learned the importance of doing things that were not disruptive of the class.   I didn’t want to get another swat – ever.
         
        Assuming Marc’s initial comment on the rise of violent behavior is correct (and I have no reason to doubt my friend), I see what has changed is the rise of sensory input to kids, and a corresponding inability of kids to calm down.  When we grew up, we had cartoons on Saturday morning only.  Now there are a miriad of kids entertainment options on tens of channels.  There are PSPs, and game apps on cell phones.  There are video games galore.  There are DVD players in cars, to avoid the dreaded words “Are we there yet?”   I think that kids today spend less time calmly pondering, and more time being actively stimulated until exhaustion. 
         
        Now, this is not all bad.  I see many of the kids at the higher end of the education spectrum as being FAR more capable than in my day.  I was near the top of my class when I graduated in 1978.  When my son was a freshman in high school a couple years ago, he took essentially the same math class I took as a senior, which was the highest level the school offered.  By the time he graduates high school, not only will have have done a half dozen AP courses, but he will also have had 2 1/2 years of college Calculus/Differential Equations.  I believe he is naturally gifted, but I think his capability is due in part to the more active stimulation he received from the time I started reading to him at 6 months old.  However, not everyone will react positively to this level of stimulation.  In some people, maybe this level of stimulation just makes them cranky.
         
        I am reminded of a line from the movie Amadeus.   In it, the court composer asserts that a piece that Mozart wrote had “too many notes”, and that it was well known that the human brain can only handle so many notes at a time. 
         
        I believe that over stimulation is more likely a contributing factor to aggressive kids than vaccination issues that this thread of comments have become.

  • JD

    One of the best ways to make a dog mean is “beat it, mistreat it” and it will either die, or be one mean darn dog! If one can do this to a animal, its not a bit doubtful in my mind the same applies to innocent children who grow up thinking its ok to hurt others if your big enough, mean enough, this might be cause of more violence down through the ages than anyone knows!:-)

  • JD

    I don’t know if vaccines have vague percentage of fault in kids with ADHD, ADD or Autism, or a angry child with a mental issue, it might be to many blows to the head by angry unfit parent, a teacher who slaps their students, when I was in 2nd grade a teacher hit me so hard she knocked me out of my seat, my terrible offense was having a small damage to a single page in my school book! Many years later the old, elderly lady sought me out and appologized, I forgave her, she was a under paid, stressed out teacher, young and human! I don’t know what causes these woes, ills in children, but one thing I do know, corporal punishment is not the solution, I grew up in that atmosphere, and today some of these folks would be in court charged with child abuse, and be not teaching anyone but spending time in a prison cell reflecting on where they went wrong in their lives let alone being arrogant and blaming a child, parent for some unknown issue no one has solved yet!

  • BHirsh

    Nothin’ a couple’a good pokes with a cow prod wouldn’t cure.

  • Tip O’Neill

    >Sometimes it is given to pregnant women.
    http://www.rhogam.com/Professional/RhoGAMBrandDosing/Pages/PreciseDosingInstructions.aspx
    Yea I saw that – it wasn’t common practice when I was practicing – I would hope that it was only done in unusual circumstances.

    >And it can be classified as a passive vaccination.

    Not sure what a “passive vaccination” might be, but the vaccines which I know are antigens intended to provoke the patient to develop antibodies.

    Rhogam is exactly the opposite – it destroys foreign antigens before the body has a chance to recognize them and develop antibodies.