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Guest Opinion: SB 1070 immigration law

by on Apr. 27, 2010, under Life, mexican culture, News/opinion, Politics

I posted a blog on this subject before its passage:  http://tucsoncitizen.com/tucsontales/2010/04/19/my-2-cents-on-police-rounding-up-illegal-aliens/ 

In short, I was undecided and still am.  However, I asked someone I greatly respect to share their strong opinion - my dad.  He is a former police officer of Mexican heritage who was an officer back in the day when it was part of the job to detain illegal immigrants in Nogales, Arizona.  He grew up along the Mexican/American border on the ranches in the Lochiel area.  I feel this gives him a qualified opinion worth considering. 

Guest Opinion
SB 1070 Immigration Law
By Joseph Gardner

Much has been made in the media about the passage and signing of SB 1070 last week. As expected, protests have been staged, imparting much misinformation along with some facts. In my opinion, a lot of people have rushed into quite an unnecessary panic.

By way of introduction, I am what is referred to as Hispanic, although my surname does not suggest that. My great-great-grandfather was an immigrant (legal) from Scotland, and my great-grandfather was born in Buffalo, New York. When he emigrated west, he married a Mexican woman, from Cananea, Sonora. Their offspring, my grandfather, married a Mexican woman from Cucurpe, Sonora. Their son, my father, then married a woman from Estacion Llano, Sonora. My mother and grandmother were legal immigrants to this country.

I learned English at age 6 in a one-room schoolhouse in Washington Camp, Arizona, where I was born. I was Mexican-American up until someone decided we were to be Hispanic. Above all, I am a proud American who served in the Army and then spent 17 years as a law enforcement officer.

Now back to SB 1070. We must give Police Officers in Arizona the credit they deserve. They are intelligent individuals with a difficult job to do. They are NOT sitting around wringing their hands with anticipation, thinking “Cant wait to go get some illegal aliens”, or “I’m going to stop every Mexican-looking driver I see”.

They WILL be given training on the strict guidelines they have to follow, as is the norm with every new law enacted.

People of any color who go about their lives in a law-abiding manner will have nothing to worry about. That is because doing so does not provide police with the “probable cause” they need to initiate an investigation.

Visitors from Mexico always have the proper documentation if they were allowed past the ports of entry. Just as burglars don’t wear little black rubber masks and ivy caps as they do in cartoons, illegals don’t wear any particular clothing that identifies them as illegals. An experienced police officer, however, can usually spot them by observing certain traits and mannerisms. This in itself is not probable cause and the officer usually cannot act on his suspicion.

When I was a police officer in the late 60s and early 70s, we detained illegals and turned them over to Border Patrol as a matter of routine, and the agents appreciated the help and welcomed the cooperation.

I do not know of any instance during that time where a person was wrongly deported. (“Born in East L.A.” with Cheech Marin was a comedy movie, it didn’t really happen). On the other hand, on many occasions we would see them get off the Greyhound bus late at night, headed back into Mexico, and we would not bother to detain them, but we often escorted them to the holes in the fence to cross back into Mexico.

We did this because we knew they usually had considerable sums of money earned in the U.S., and countless times we watched Mexican Immigration officials openly abuse them and rob them of their hard-earned money.

The truth of the matter is that at this point in time no one knows yet how this law will function. Governor Brewer has said that she has directed the proper people to come up with a plan on how to fairly and justly implement it.

The people of Arizona are justifiably positively fed up with the status quo regarding illegal immigration and are demanding something be done about it. We cannot look the other way, due to political correctness, while the quality of life in the southwestern United States steadily declines, largely due to this very problem.

Therefore, it is extremely irresponsible of Raul Grijalva, especially as an elected representative of this state, and others to malign the majority of the people of this state based on initial reaction to the bill. Now people from other states are putting in their two cents without ever walking a single step in our shoes.

It is inevitable that, should this law be struck down, citizens and legal immigrants will eventually, in desperation, take the law into their own hands. That could have very tragic consequences. Action is needed NOW.

 

 



  • Al

    I’m glad someone finally had the guts to address this.  Illegal means \YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE HERE,  YOU HAVE NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.  Any other country, Mexico included, you are treated as a criminal if you are not there legally.  Lets stop giving out the free ride to those who have no right to it and I like many are really fed up with our tax dollars going to those who have no right to it.  Dont give me the arguement that the illegals (criminals) are here to work.  Its already been shown that about only 29% are here to work.  The rest are here sucking up our resources.  In my state the illegal criminals cost us ten billion dollars a year, 38% of the prison population is illegals and criminals.   How dare those illegal criminals protest as if they have the right. I for one are really fed up with it.  How about this,  for those who want the illegals here lets check a box on YOUR tax returns and increase YOUR taxes to pay for them and the rest of us can get a tax reduction.  Lets see how many are willing to do that.  And for you that are going call me a racist or anything else you desire I have no need to respond to you liberal bleeding hearts that dont have a clue whats going on in this country.  Oh,  and as far as the police the law states they must have \reasonable cause\ just as they always had to investigate.  This doesnt change that.  I just gives the right for the police to enforce the same federal laws that are already on the books but its not enforced.  BRAVO ARIZONA.

    • leftfield

      YOU HAVE NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

      This is just not true, Al.  It’s simply wishful thinking on your part.

      • Ashley

        I AGREE AL, THANK YOU ARIZONA!!!
         

  • shreddy

    I agree with Mr. Joseph Gardner 100%. I hope Texas will follow suit.

  • Neo

    Shreddy and Al are all the reason I need to never spend a dime or a minute in Arizona.

    • Crepes

      Nobody gives a shit if you go to Arizona or not. I can’t understand why people think that ILLEGAL immigrants should be allowed here.

  • jsfox

    A question. Wouldn’t the fastest way to solve this problem . Stop hiring them. This isn’t the Feds fault this is the fault of ever citizen and business in AZ who turns a blind eye to the person cleaning their house, working at the construction site, mowing the greens. And for all the whining about illegals it still goes on by the very people cheering this bill. The hypocrisy is stunning.
     

  • Liana Rodriguez

    Unfortunately,  many who support this law don’t refer to their history. I may not live in Arizona but I live in border town San Ysidro border so it’s a matter of geographics when it comes to that issue being pointed out. I am aware of the issues the stem from the border. This law is not the sole solution. I would like to believe that the governor of Arizona can find other ways to bring attention to Washington other than creating this unjust law. Let’s understand the word “illegal”. When did we start using the term? After the pilgrims settled and conquered the Native Americans (I mean committed genocide), after Manifest Destiny, or after the Treaty of Hidalgo, all of these were invasions of European Americans on the natives of this land.  I have yet to witness immigrants cause the same violent and unjust invasion by any other ethnicity onto America.  Do we need to protect ourselves? Yes, but this is not the solution. Let’s work together and find another solution. As far as taxes are concerned…if the government really displayed the amount of contributions that immigrants make ..it would be too alarming for you all to digest. How corporate America needs the cheap labor and it would hurt the pockets of the top elitist of our country. We have a system that fosters present day slavery and until we deal with that then we can start the discussion of the cost of immigration. It’s time we stop using immigrants as scapegoats when the economy is not doing well. Let us remember the deportation of both legal and illegal immigrants during the Great Depression and then a decade later we have the “Bracero Act” that welcomed immigrants traveling over here to work. Every decade we repeat this unhealthy cycle of unjust laws.

    • Dave

      So the real  issue we need to understand is  Arizona (and much of the western U.S) were stolen and should be part of Mexico.  Mexican citizens aren’t here illegally, they’re just returning home!  Since most of them also have some Native American blood it’s also their ancestral homeland (although some Apaches might disagree with that assumption).   Then there’s the fact that we’d starve without the cheap labor.  Even Vincente Fox told us that Mexicans are doing the work that not even blacks want to do!    So there are many historical, cultural, economic, political – even nativist and racial reasons for ”The People” to take back from the Europeans what was theirs in the first place.  Correct?

  • Renee

    This law is racist. I am a defense attorney and I know that some police circumvent PC whenever its necessary. Please spare me the family history and police talk about   “an expreienced  PO can usually spot them by observing certain traits and mannerisms”. Are you serious? This law is so vague and I can’t wait until it is found unconstitutional. AZ hispanics like yourself, that can vote and make a difference,  should be ashamed of the continuing treatment that people of Mexican descent have been put through throughout the SW.

    • Yelena

      Thank you! Totally agree!! And the foundations of this bill are certainly not as innocent either – they are mired with racist politicians and ideologies.

      • Shawn

        Only Mexicans have  a problem with the bill.

        • Mar

          Really?  only Mexicans?  interesting how ‘know it alls’ live in a bubble and breathe their own hot air.  ridiculous! 

          I am not undocumented, but Iam saddened by the law people are hiding behind to project this hatred. I  hope people of color do get profiled and asked for their documentation…lawsuits will hurt this state further.  Legislators and citizens who back this ridiculous law don’t have a clue of the ramifications of this. financially let’s see how we survive.

          God forgive this racism and this stupidy.

  • http://truality.org Mike

    AN OPEN LETTER TO ALL WHITE FOLK WHO RESIDE IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA         Dear White Folk of Arizona, As a fellow white person living in this state I would like to point out my frustration regarding the new immigration legislation SB1070.  Please understand that whether or not you agree with current immigration policy in this state or nation is not the point of this letter.  As it was pointed out to me by an individual who is much smarter than I, handing over power of this nature to any sort of law enforcement is a terrible and harmful idea. SB1070 does in fact give such power to our police force.  A law of this nature sets a precedent for future legislation that carries weight no person should have to carry.  The fact that we are white and will unlikely be questioned or asked about our identification is a luxury.  What we are failing to see is how this precedent will eventually impact our own lives.  Whether it is eavesdropping on our phone calls or emails (read the Patriot Act) or a National ID card that trails your every move, this act opens those doors to invasion of our privacy and ultimately a loss of individual freedom. Simply ignoring a law because it doesn’t directly affect you is short sighted and quite frankly apathetic. I would like to challenge all white people to stand up against SB1070 because it is unjust and infringes on the very freedom that we as a nation were founded upon. It saddens me to see very little white resistance and I’m afraid our resistance will only come when the hour is late and our necks are on the line. Please consider your position. Sincerely,   Michael J. Sliwa  “What societies really, ideally, want is a citizenry which will simply obey the rules of society,  If a society succeeds in this, that society is about to perish. The obligation of anyone who thinks of himself as responsible is to examine society and try to change it and to fight it-at no matter what risk.  This is the only hope society has.  This is the only way societies change.” James Baldwin 

  • Paul Justin

    SB 1070 is unconstitutional on the face of it for two reasons.  Only the federal government can regulate the border and institute foreign policy, number one.  Number two, by your own silly quote, ““I’m going to stop every Mexican-looking driver I see,” attributed to a fictitious police officer, you use the word “Mexican.”  Racial profiling in the extreme.  Sorry Mr. Gardener, you’re all wet on this one.

  • http://google.com Mad

    IDK

  • Dan

    For anyone who cares to get their facts straight, the bill in its entirety can be read here
    http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf
    As far as some of the concerns addressed, I find them to be more emotional rants than actual factual points.  Jsfox, you’re correct in saying that not hiring illegal immigrants would help solve the problem.  And it is addressed in this bil, as it details specific actions that take place against businesses that knowingly hire people who are not qualified to work in the United States.  It will be up to the AZ State government and private business owners to take responsibility.
    Paul, the law allows for police to enforce federal laws.  Local Police can arrest individuals who break federal laws.  And in the bill, the determination of legal citizenship is determined by the government, it’s not the police themselves deporting people.  And also, you attak Mr. Garder’s quote.  However, first of all, he is of hispanic descent himself.  Secondly, he was providing an example the sterotyped thinking being portrayed by people.  He was in no way making those comments based on his own views or beliefs.
    Renee, your presumtion of racism is unfounded.  And just because you may have met unruly or unprofessional police officers, you decide to condem the entire profession?  That is the same kind of thinking that allows for bigotry and hate crimes.  Just because a few bad apples exist does not give anyone a right to demonize an entire profession, race, gender or sexual orientation. And as a defense attorney, no one should know that better than you.
    In closing, any other country in the world can deport you immediatly if you don’t provide the proper credentials to be in their country legally.  We are required to show our credentials to drive a car via driver licenses and proof of insurance.  I don’t see how showing our citezenship status is any different.  And if I get pulled over and asked if i’m here illegally, I’ll proudly show my identification and be on my way.
     

    • http://aol Stacy

      Very well put.  Get the picture people

      • Yelena
        • Dan

          Read the bill.  Come to your own conclusions.  Posting a Rachel Madow video here is like a conservative posting Bill O’Riely or Rush Limbaug.  These people are not reporters.  They provide entertainment by expressing their own personal opinions.  While both sides can make vaild points, it’s always easier to listen to someone who agrees with you.  Someone who choses their words and the edits of the footage to best present their skew.  If you want to reference material, do actual laws or studies.  Statistics, albiet not always reliable, are always better than personal anecdotes.  Unfortunatly, personal anecdotes are all people remember.  One persons experience does not dictate the behavior of the entire situation.  Talk about the issues and concerns and try to reach a compromise.  Don’t throw around emotions like hate fear and guilt just to “win” an argument.  Politics aren’t about “winning.”  It’s about finding solutions we can all live with.  And we won’t find those solutions until we talk logically and considerately.

    • Staci

      Dan, you hit the nail on the head!!!  As a hardworking AMERICAN citizen, I find it disheartening that all of this uproar is regarding something that is illegal!!  Drinking and driving is illegal, murder is illegal, child abuse is illegal, so WHY IS THERE SUCH A BIG DEAL ABOUT THIS LAW WHEN COMING TO THIS COUNTRY WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS IS ILLEGAL?????  I don’t know of any other country we could travel to where you call to get information and you’re asked to press 1 for English.  What the hell??  Isn’t English our country’s language?  As a mother of a child whose teacher informed me she couldn’t provide a homework packet until someone translated it into spanish, as an American, as an Arizonan, I am infuriated by those who want to make this a race issue.  If our illegals were Japanese, Haitian, Grecian, or any other race it would not change the fact that coming to this country illegally is ILLEGAL!!!  Get over yourselves, people.  If you go to Mexico undocumented, they’re gonna ship your ass right back.  Because it’s illegal.  Thank you, Dan, and may God bless us all.

  • http://www.google.com fernando

    i think hispanic people have more rights then normal and called
    americans. reason, we have more rights to be in this land of america is because we’d been the only origianl people of america, in this land. not grown up and european people  that emmigrated from different countries. just because they look white, they are special.  we are the original americans. not european people. we belong to this land of america. plus if you called americans, come to my country i will treat you nice not like you guys treat us.  we have feelings like you do, got doesn’t like selfish people in the world. god love all of us the same way.

    • Mike

      Fernando,

      Illegal Immigrants from South America are not treated nice in your country.  God does love us all the same, and he also says to follow the law of the land.

    • desert_war_dawg

      been reading those pro-mexican books have ya?

      again, this land is not mexico’s original land either. is was conquered by the spanish. the indigenous people of this land are native americans. so you are also an intruder.

      so, born here, part white/native american/mexican ……… so you leave my land.

    • jim kelley

      Fernando, you are not the original people get your factx straight, archaeologically speaking, the Asians are the original people as they are the ones that crossed the bridge from Asia to North America. So get over yourself. You premise is racist. Only “your” people are allowed to live here? Please. And which land am I to visit where I will be treated nice? Where were you educated, where do you work, where do you live? Not treated nice here? Then why did you leave Mexico? They are a constitutional democracy, why are you here? What do you want? Aztlan?

  • Asupporter

    So many of you compare this new law to the Hitler order. Well I am sure they are not rounding the mexicans up to kill them.  And it is illegal for us to be in any other country illegal, why not “do onto others as you would have done to you”. Haven’t we all heard that quote before? And as for the safety of police officers, I don’t see any protesters, protesting for officer safety, when it comes to the illigal immigration drug cartel. Think about what this law will do for saving the lives of Police Officers.  This law is awesome!  It will also push the drug cartel out of Arizona because they will think twice, about what this hinders for them in the drug business.  Actually Texas, look out, unless you follow suit.  Also think about what this does for American jobs.  And if you are a protester without a job, well just think about what I am saying to you without being disrespectful.  This will open more job opportunities for Americans, who illegal immagrants take from us each and every day.   And the businesses says that this will hurt economic development?  No, that’s what they want you to think.  Instead, it will hurt them from hiring cheap, non-american laborers! My forefather fought for us, “We the People”.  That’s how you should stand.  (Michigan supporter)

  • Asupporter

    Correction on my sentance above, it should read “Instead, it will KEEP them from hiring cheap, non-american laborers!” It means the CEO’s will get less$$ in thier million/billion dollar pockets because they are giving the jobs to U.S. citizens.  And business will have to report their $$ and pay taxes like the rest of us, instead of paying under-the-table cash jobs. 

  • Asupporter

    And who says it well above is “DAN”.  I will proudly show my citizenship, along with my drivers license and vehicle insurance, to a police officer, and be on my way too. As a matter of fact, in the state of Michigan now, you can pay extra to have a passport status attached to your drivers license. 

  • leftfield

    Regardless, the law is probably unconstitutional and likely to be deemed so by the courts.  The number of progressive organizations  joining in the call to boycott Arizona until the law is repealed is also growing daily.  Unfortunately, I do not believe we can expect any real reform coming from DC.  The Dems control the agenda, but do not have the votes to overcome what are likely to be anguished cries of “Amnesty” from the Repubs. 

  • leftfield

    No More Deaths volunteers working in Nogales continue to document and denounce abuses experienced in custody by deported migrants and immigrants. The following interviews were conducted in the last week. Please share these stories with your friends, family, congregation, and community.

    Interview conducted 15 April 2010.  Interviewee E—– T—–, from Oaxaca, reported that he was apprehended in October in the desert and was held for six months in Holbrook after going to Streamline in Tucson.  He was held in extreme cold with no blankets and was told by Border Patrol, “Shut your mouth,” “You’re trash,” and “You should speak English in my country.”

    Interview conducted 15 April 2010.  Interviewee, A—– A—– L—–, from Mexico, who reported that while in custody in Yuma on 24 March Border Patrol threw away all of her possessions, including medicine. She was also kicked in the stomach and did not receive any medical attention.  When No More Deaths volunteers met her on 15 April she reported continued pain in her abdomen.  She also reported that when she was apprehended in the desert with a group Border Patrol handcuffed everyone in the group to one another and made them walk in a line for twenty minutes in the dark.  She fell because it was difficult to walk and they pushed her.  She has a son in Oregon.

    Interview conducted 15 April 2010.  Interviewee, L—– A——P—–, reported that he had lived in Phoenix since 1999.  On 6 December 2009 at approximately 8pm he was pulled over by Phoenix police while driving and thrown on the ground and beaten, breaking his nose and dislocating his knee.  He was then held in ICE Custody, Phoenix-West M53, until the first week of April.  At no time while in custody did he receive medical attention, and went to court with his face “covered with blood.”  His nose and knee healed incorrectly and his forehead and right side of his face are covered with scars from the assault.  The first name of one of the officers who beat him is J—–.  He never had access to a lawyer. He also reported that the police robbed him of $90 that he had in his possession at the time.

    Interview conducted 15 April 2010.  Interviewee, young man from Mexico, reported that when apprehended in the desert on 13 April 2010 at approximately 6pm, the Border Patrol burned his belongings in front of him, saying “this is trash.”  He and another man who was present with him during the interview reported that while held in custody in Nogales, AZ, the center was extremely cold and they were held for two days without receiving food, only crackers.  The man who was with him, who also wished to remain anonymous, reported that the Border Patrol agents said, “We?re going to kill you.”

    • http://www.themoondancesaloon.com andrew

      What’s your point? You don’t get it either.

      • leftfield

        Yes, this information is tangential, but the point does not require explanation.  It speaks of the nature of the institutional culture within the BP.   I believe most Americans are unaware of the kind of abuse that takes place and I wanted to use this opportunity to increase awareness. 

    • jim kelley

      Hey lefty, will No More Deaths document the deaths in the drop houses? Will they document the rape and child abuse at the hands of the Coyotes? And you keep posting the same three stories, if you post it 20 times will that make it sixty reports documented? Same old communist bovine scatology. I dealt with this wothless propaganda 25 years ago and you still keep perpetuating it. Your tired marxist rants are a joke.

  • Ernesto Aguilar

    If this low its a solution way for a economics of the USA or Arizona. Im really say not a solutions. Im leaving for years in the border in a mexican city. And im travel to the cities in the south region. This travel take destiny to shopping day in this cities. Im spend a $500 or $1000.00 in a one day. This its an regular activity for all people in the mexican and south usa border. Exist arizona cities who can need the mexican shopping activity to exist. Comercial living need them. In this case : Naco, Beesbe, Douglas, Sierra Vista, Tucson and phoenix in certain commerce objetives. posible represents a 1500 or 2000 billions in the year. and the tax payed for a mexican shopping people its not returned to this people.
    In recents years the mexican market in USA in the mexican border represents an 1500 billion of dollars only for a california state.  This its a reason for your take in walmart, foodcity, etc. an objetive market oriented for this people: tortillas, mexican candies, barrilitos, manzanita sol, mazapan, tomatoes, aguacate, etc, etc, etc.
    In Arizona exist a 300,000 or 400,000 mexican people in irregular inmigrant situation, not take a presision data. This people take a work you not take: Agriculture, construction, gardening,etc. All the work with the minimal capacity or labor qualification.
    and minimal pay$/hr. but its a necesary activity for your economy.
    This people represents a 1000 billion of USD in a year.
     
    In mexico the people its angry and indignant feeling. and the people say or take a way to not shop in the usa cities in the mexican border.

    But the economics and the long relations afect the two side of the mexican border.
    The criminal problem in the mexican border and the interior of the mexican teritory take a responsabillity of the two goberments. Mexico and USA.
    An USA companies or civil people probide arms and equipmets as power weapons. and the mexican criminal people shop this arms and equipments. This arms and equipments cross the mexican border in the more secured frontier in the world.
    The drogs cross the border from mexico to USA in the most secured secured frontier in the world.
    What happend with this situation????
    Some  mexican and USA officials take a rellation with criminal organizations????
    A question its, the long mexican and USA relation, in special the Arizona and the Sonora relations its brocken for this situation with not responsabillitie of the Arizona Citizens and the Sonora Citizens????.
    Im really say, the arizona and sonora people need a solution to their security situation. and need to get stronger relation to resist and combat the problems involved in our frontier.
    Our need respect for all people in the region around of the mexican border. This respect its needed for economics, for a regional security, for a respect of our goverments and institutios. For the historic relations of the cities in the mexican border region.
    Best regards for all.

    Ernesto Aguilar
    Prouded Mexican Citizen.
    Viva Mexico-Viva USA economics and political Relation.

    • ado1

      There is nothing in this bill that will stop or discourage anyone from a foreign country from coming to Arizona and visiting, provided they have the necessary papers that show they have followed established U.S. law as it relates to crossing an international border into these United States.

      • leftfield

        There is nothing in this bill that will stop or discourage anyone from a foreign country from coming to Arizona…

        Hmmm, that’s odd; because so many are already saying they’re not coming to AZ or not doing business with AZ as long as this law is on the books.

        • ado1

          Thanks Lefty for pointing out that irrational thinking and prejudice also exist in those associated with the radical leftist puke movement in this country.

  • http://dh1976.wordpress.com Dan H

    Baseball’s Been Berra, Berra Good to Me…Except in Arizona “I can guarantee you this…next year, during spring training, there will be an incident, and a ball player from another country will get entangled with the law in AZ, and then it will be all over the media and someone will be very, very embarrassed.” (READ FULL ARTICLE)

    • ado1

      I suppose it would be very politically incorrect to  ask professional baseball players who come here from abroad to make those big American bucks and become millionaires to actually comply with U.S. law.  ><

  • George

    The problem, as most African-Americans of any economic level can tell you from experience,  is that “probable cause” is whatever a law-enforcement officer says it is, and if you argue constitutionality on a roadside you’ll get thrown in jail. Maybe 99 percent of Arizona police officers will follow the law properly, but the 1 percent who see it as a license to live their dream of cleansing Arizona streets of brown faces will trigger lawsuits that will cost Arizona taxpayers plenty. And what of Law 1070′s reckless provision that a citizen can sue a police department who that citizen believes isn’t enforcing the law? Those lawsults, many of which will be frivolous and unfounded, will end up costing taxpayers big bucks as well.

    Finally, consider this irony. When I attained voting age 40 years ago, I joined the Republican Party because it stood most firmly against communism. But today’s Republican Party seems to have flip-flopped and now embraces tactics that would have made the old Soviet Union proud: the warrantless wiretaps and Fourth Amendment defecations of the un-Patriot Act, imprisonment of people without charge or trial in foreign gulags, torture as standard procedure, and now this “show me your papers” Arizona mentality that would have been more at home in Moscow or Hanoi. Brewer, Pearce and Arpaio should earn the KGB Medal of Honor.

    Yes, we need to solve the illegal-immigration problem. Yes, this action which the Pima County Sheriff rightly calls “stupid” was triggered because the federal government, under either party, failed to act. But the solution should not repeat the mistake of the excesses of the war on terror and turn America into a Soviet-style police state.

    I’d never vote Democrat, but right now I’m ashamed to be a Republican. 

    • ado1

      Sorry George, I respectfully disagree.  I see illegal immigration and this bill that finally addresses it, as an issue that cuts across all party lines.  This is not, I.M.O., a DEM vs. GOP vs. Libertarian issue at all.

  • Seth

    I am sorry, but my problem with this law is not about “political correctness” it is about the constitutional rights of citizens. Our elected officials swear to support the constitution of the United States and they failed to do so when they passed this law.  

  • Hoosier Woman

    Is it about the constitutional right of “citizens”? Legal U.S. citizens? Or anyone who is in the U.S. even if they are illegal right? Oh wait if you break the laws then you dont have any constitutional rights! I have rights too! As a U.S. citizen I have the right to be able to get a job…not have all jobs given to illegal immigrants. As a U.S. citizen I have the right to medical care…not have free health care given to illegal immigrants.My constitutional rights are infringed upon by illegal immigrants? WHO CARES ABOUT THAT? Not the illegals who protest and demand their rights! The constitution applies to ME I am a U.S. citizen! I want the bill! I want the police to be able to do what they need to do to find out who are here illegally and send them back…so the police can protect my U.S. rights that are being infringed or taken away by illegal immigrants.

  • heather

    ALL YOU DAM AMERICANS LIKE TO GO EAT AT RESTURANTS AND GO ON VACAISON TO OTHER COUNTRYS BUT YOU DONT WANT ANYONE TO COME HERE WELL I AM SORRY THAT IS BULLSHIT I AM AMERICAN AND I FEEL THERE IS NO RESPECT FOR OTHER PEOPLE YOU NEED TO GROW UP AND SMELL THE COFFE WE ARE ALL THE SAME NO BODY IS BETTER THAN ANY EVERY ONES SHIT STINKS SO STOP ALL THIS BULLSHIT AND WORK ON THINGS THAT ARE MOR INPORTENT THEN TRYING TO TAKE EVERYONES JOBS AWAY AND TAKING FAMILYS WAY THIS IS NOT A FREE COUN TRY THIS IS A  WORTHLES COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • ado1

      No national borders with no regulation of immigration means no nation since we no longer will have an international border.  What is it that your kind of bimbo don’t get about that?  I have no problem at all eating at restaurants that are staffed by citizens of the U.S. and/or any other persons who have not broken U.S. law as their first act upon entering the United States.



      You are correct, this is not a “free” country. Freedom and living in a country that is governed by laws has never been free.  If you believe you will get more respect and compassion south of the border, see how well you like it in Ciudad Juarez for a few years.  Only sixteen murders were reported on Telemundo last night.

       
      http://www.hispanictips.com/2010/04/26/juarez-nears-5000-killings-homicides-in-the-cuidad-juarez-drug-war-will-soon-surpass-the-5000-mark/

  • OV Grandpa

    I have to assume many of you crybabies have never lined in a foreign country, I have. I lived in Saudi Arabia for 15 years and one of the first things you learn living in any country other then your own is ALWAYS carry your proper identification with you or SUFFER the consequences when questioned. During SA’s Haj month millions of foreigners go to SA as part of their religous requirement. Ask any Muslim for verification of this. After the month is over the foreigners are supposed to go home, most do, some don’t, usually the poorest who used their lifesavings to make it to Mecca, their religous obligation. They get jobs from scheming Saudi businesses, strictly ILLEGAL . The Country usually puts up with this for about a month or two, then the roundup starts. At the airports, you can see the results. They are handcuffed and CHAINED together and put on an aircraft, not knowing where they are going. They can windup anywhere in the world. You have never seen or heard one word of this operation from ANY COUNTRY in protest. And you crybabies think we are mean. GROW UP. Thank you Gov Brewer, maybe more states will wake up. 
    Travel to any other country and see if you can get away with NO identification.

  • adela

    SUPPORT ALL OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS!!! WE MUST NOT FORGET THAT WE ARE ALL IMMIGRANTS…SAY NO TO SB1070! THIS LAW IS RACIST!
    AND
    “RACISM IS THE REFUGEE OF THE IGNORANT”-DEVIANTART.COM

  • robert j

    really I can’t belive this bill even made to vote much less got passed  It is unconstituonal  It directly violates the 4th amendment  .Am I the only that has ever read the consitiution?? this is horrible it gives police the right to have open season on hispanics. and this crap about how in othere countries you have to carry ID I’m not trying to hear it ok . In other countries they cut your hand off for stealing anything. in other countries women are property an can be killed for cheating on their husband.  hell in some contries if your acussed of a sex crime like sleeping with someones elses wife they cut your dick of .wanna start doing that to?  THIS country was founded by immagrants so have some respect and get rid of this un american law.  oh and if you still say well other countries are meanier and we should be to then move there here we belive in equality

    • ann m.

      Whoa – slow down buddy.  In short, you are misinformed.  There are many other countries that require you to carry your papers – just try to get into them first.  Personally, I would WANT to carry my papers and have extra copies – it only makes sense to cover yourself.  Your emotions you taken control – it does not directly violate the 4th Amendment.  Read the sentence that makes up the Amendment carefully – I believe in our laws and law enforcers enough to know not to break the law or be in a susupicious circumstance that would warrant a question of what is reasonable and what is not.  Quite playing “dumb” and trying to make excuses for breaking U.S. laws.  The laws were to help keep order.  If there were no laws people would run amok – similar to how there are rules to writing English and speaking properly.  Your English has run amok.

  • http://tucsoncitizen.com/tucsontales/2010/04/27/guest-opinion-sb-1070-immigration-law/ juanguis2010

    hey for all of those racist people out there im from mexico and im married to a beautifullamerican women that i love if u guys want to talk about ilegal people spending your money let me shut all of u the terrorist that attack the usa came here legally and just a question for all of u do u have an idea how much money the afganistan and irak war has cost to all of the people that live in the usa and i dont see any of u racist say anything about it right yeha i bet u have no coment about it this is a country that from the first people that started it were ilegals from all over the world so why dont u guys go blame all of your problems to your mothers.

  • charlie

    “We must give Police Officers in Arizona the credit they deserve. They are intelligent individuals with a difficult job to do. They are NOT sitting around wringing their hands with anticipation, thinking “Cant wait to go get some illegal aliens”, or “I’m going to stop every Mexican-looking driver I see”
    That’s where the error in his logic lies.  He’s assuming that all cops are “good cops” like he probably was.  I’m aware there are many cops like this guy that actually don’t abuse the laws and respect things like probable cause.  However, it seems that the overwhelming majority are something more like Sheriff Arpaio, who do in fact pull over people with the only probable cause being because they look Mexican.  My friend was detained at the border for almost 24 hours and treated unfairly (they used words like “beaner” when referring to him on their walkie talkies).  The funny thing is he was 0% mexican! He was filipino, but I guess the brown skin was enough to spark the fires of racism in the cops.  I also had another friend whose house was literally broken into by the cops because he was having a party and got a noise complaint.  He obviously didn’t hear the cops knocking because of the music, but (this is all speculation here) since most of the people in plain sight through the window were mexican and it was in an area that was known to house  lot of illegals, the cops took it upon themselves to literally kick down his door.  They were actually caught by his security system while doing it (adt camera pics).  So yes, there a lot of good cops like Joseph Gardner, but the reality is there just are too many that aren’t – and that’s the true reason why people are scared of this law.

  • Jasmin

    This is stupid, ignorant, and childish. I don’t think this law should go into place because it’s unfair, stupid, and racist!! Why is it fair that chinese people or asians or other races get to come into the U.S but Hispanics have to be a big deal!! If you want to send Hispanics back where they came from then you guys can get the hell off our land!! If we leave back to Mexico we’re going to take everything we brought over here back to OUR country. Hispanics have every right as Americans to be in the United States. Some parents want their children to have the best eductaion, they should be able to give there child that. If we’re not allowed to come into the United States without being legal, then the Americans have NO RIGHT being in our country either. That’s the way i see it! 


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