SB 1070 does nothing to stop drug cartel gunmen
by Hugh Holub on May. 23, 2010, under border issues, politics, SB 1070SB 1070 did NOTHING useful to really deal with the real problem on our border.
From Pinal County Sheriff's Office
The real problem is those guys armed with AK 47s that were shooting at Pinal County deputies over by Interstate 8.
We have a serious problem when drug cartel gunmen can get all the way to Interstate 8 to shoot at our deputies.
Would there be a meaningful federal response if the gunmen were speaking Pushtan instead of Spanish ?
SB 1070 didn’t even come close to that problem.
Is anyone seriously considering directing our local cops to defend our border from the cartel gunmen? I doubt it. That’s exactly what the federal government is supposed to be doing.
Stirring up a wave of anti-Mexican opinion for political gain shows the bankruptcy of Arizona’s GOP leadership today.
What is the difference between the Taliban and drug cartel gunmen?
Making our local cops card anyone who looks like an illegal immigrant does nothing to deal with the issue.
Concentrating federal assets at the border so gunmen (and illegal immigrants) will not even have a chance to get 20 or 40 miles into the state and country is what is needed.
At its core government is supposed to protect the safety of its people.
The federal government has utterly failed in this regard.
Political stunts like SB 1070 don’t focus attention where it is needed.
Maybe passing a bill banning the Border Patrol from being found anywhere in Arizona farther than 30 miles from the border would do a lot more good here. I’ll bet there’d be bipartisan support for that.
May 23rd, 2010 on 2:56 pm
Assassins get paid 200.00 a month to kill what ever gets in their way according to the Diario de Juarez . The Ak 47 ‘s are all brought from the US. These killers are not linked to any terrorist groups, they are just money hungry.
June 28th, 2010 on 7:57 am
The weapons are not coming from the US, they’ve only found 1/10th of a percent have US origins. The truth is the Mexican Military has 5000 to 7000 desertions a year over to the drug cartels bringing their weapons with them. You’re not hearing about that. While not impossible to make AR’s and AK’s fully auto it does take parts that are not as common on the market and a lot of gunsmithing to convert. It is much easier to buy from other foreign, not US sources, which is what they do. It’s getting time to bring our military to the border and invade, crush the cartels, seal the border and deport the illegals. Time to take back our country from these criminals and since the cartels have as much money as the Mexican government, it is obvious their government cannot stop them so it is up to us, for the safety of our nation this has become a national security issue.
May 23rd, 2010 on 5:38 pm
Inclined to agree with concentrating law enforcement efforts at the border.
After the border as been stabilized, Immigration reform will need to be centralized on the border.
Businessmen with needs for labor that cannot be secured by employing US citizens should be allocated temporary working ID’s for foreign laborers. The businessmen should be required to state the number of ID’s needed, the duration of time they would be needed for, etc etc. All recruitment should be done on the Mexican side of the border with the assistance of the Mexican Government. Transportation expense to and from the border should be the responsibilty of the employer. All US laws relating to working conditions should apply to foreign workers. Foreign workers should pay US or possibly Mexican taxes for wages earned. Individual workers or the Mexican government should pay a compensable deposit that is refundable upon workers return to Mexico….
I enjoy your site and its emphasis on solutions.
May 23rd, 2010 on 7:14 pm
Hugh…..SB1070 has not even taken effect yet and you are saying it is inadequate…..true, it does not move BP to the border or State Patrol or NG troops, but it does send a message and it is a good beginning.
May 23rd, 2010 on 7:37 pm
We don’t need to harass brown skind Americans. What we need is immigration reform and border security.
May 23rd, 2010 on 7:51 pm
“………. What we need is immigration reform and border security.”
Well…..thats what they told us in 1986…..and they never delivered on the security portion. Nothing but lip service to this very day.
IF …..the pro scamnesty folks were truly serious about the “pathway to Citizenship” just “one last time”, they would advocate for REAL border security. Once that is in place and actually working, we could then work on “normalizing” the ones here.
But as it stands now, it is the same old bait n’ switch. Scamnesty today, security tomorrow…or when we get around to it…maybe.
Americans will NOT be fooled again..
May 23rd, 2010 on 7:45 pm
“All recruitment should be done on the Mexican side of the border with the assistance of the Mexican Government.”
Why would we have to focus on labor from Mexico? I am sure I can find a “guest worker” from some other country that would do the job for less. There are plenty of hungry folks in this world that would love a job here in “lifeboat USA”.
If we are eventully forced into a guest worker scheme I say we make the prospective labor bid on the jobs, and no preference points for Mexico…..just pure merit…..and price.
Would the “free market/open borders/ethnic hustler” crowd be just as supportive of the program if the Irish under bid the labor from latin America?
Only the American worker loses in the end….
May 23rd, 2010 on 7:51 pm
In your mind the issues are seperate. You are wrong, they are the same. Drugs, Cartels, illegals–one problem, same population.
May 23rd, 2010 on 10:46 pm
If you had half a mind, you might be able to consider the issue. Lacking a mind, you are just repeating Limbaughisms.
Rednecks, nativists and illiterates with bad teeth-one problem, same population.
May 23rd, 2010 on 8:04 pm
Pesqueira says….
“Inclined to agree with concentrating law enforcement efforts at the border. ”
Exactly, and a real barrier, a double wall would be a great force multiplier for our newly centralized border LE, that would both deter crossings, and stop most of those that try.
Think of all the people that would no longer have to perish in the hot desert sun if we could only deter them from crossing into this country illegally.
A real wall would save lives……do it for the children…si, si, puede
May 23rd, 2010 on 10:43 pm
Ok, if you’re going to attempt to hijack the phrase, at least get it right. It is “Si se puede”.
May 24th, 2010 on 12:01 am
Thanks for the language lesson
I find it ironic that the pro illegal alien crowd has hijacked the very same phrase from a man that protested against illegal aliens because he knew that their presence reduced the wages that he was fighting to gain!!
Ceaser Chavez and his United Farm Workers even patrolled the Ca/Mx border just like the Minutemen…..one big difference is that they were known to beat those they found, and then send them back south…
Si, se, puede indeed……
May 24th, 2010 on 1:46 am
Sorry – Cesar is the spelling. There was one incident, at which Cesar was not present, of physical altercation between UFW members and migrants attempting to cross the border. Cesar and the UFW would, however, regularly report the undocumented who refused to join the UFW or those who crossed picket lines. His issue was not immigration policy per se, but the strength of his union. Glad to know you are a strong union supporter, Joe.
The UFW co-founder, Dolores Huerta, on the other hand, appears regularly at events protesting SB1070 and the mistreatment of Latinos.
May 24th, 2010 on 6:58 am
“Glad to know you are a strong union supporter, Joe. ”
Well, I pay union dues so it is in my best interest to not encourage the dilution of the labor pool in the US with the Billons wanting to get in….
May 24th, 2010 on 12:37 am
Leftfield:
You seem to have a problem in insulting people on a personal basis. Just because I disagree with you does not mean I have to insult you as a human being. You seem to spend a lot of time on this Tucson Citizen site I would have figured that you know that by now. Maybe your spending too much time here. Time to get a life.
May 24th, 2010 on 1:34 am
You seem to have a problem in insulting people on a personal basis.
Just because I disagree with you does not mean I have to insult you as a human being.
It’s not a problem…you make it easy. What it is, Thomas, is that the things you say do insult me as a human being. I’ll ”get a life” when you get a heart.
May 24th, 2010 on 6:14 am
Something that was learned during the Civil Rights Movement back in the 1960′s was to let the racists rant, because after a while people began to distance themselves from the extreme.
There’s an old cowboy saying “give a man a horse, a rope and a tree and if he’s so inclined, he’ll hang himself”.
May 24th, 2010 on 6:54 am
“Something that was learned during the Civil Rights Movement back in the 1960’s was to let the racists rant”
Hugh,
Excellent point, that is why I am a big supporter of the first amendment rights of everyone, including groups like “La Raza”, AKA “The Race”, or is it “The Volk” ? Not really sure, but I am a fan of hearing their members speak for the very same reasons you state.
They rarely let me down…. 8^)
May 24th, 2010 on 6:39 am
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