Rancher tells Congress the way it really is down at the border
by Hugh Holub on Apr. 16, 2011, under border issues, border patrol, drug smuggling, environment water and energy, land use, politicsFrom Fox News: Arizona Rancher Blows Away Bureaucrats at Border Hearing
Testimony of James K. Chilton Jr. With regard to The National Security and Federal Lands Protection Act
Submitted to the United States House of Representatives – a joint hearing of the Natural Resources Committee and the Oversight and Government Reform Committee
April 15, 2011
My name is Jim Chilton. I am a 5th generation Arizona rancher. My address is Box 423, 17691 W. Chilton Ranch Road, Arivaca, Arizona 85601. Arivaca is approximately 55 miles southwest of Tucson, Arizona in native mesquite and oak grassland grazed for over 300 years since the explorer priest Fr. Kino brought cattle ranching to the area. The north end of our 50,000-acre ranch is adjacent to the town of Arivaca. The ranch continues south to the international border with Mexico. The ranch includes private property, State School Trust land, three federal grazing permits within the Coronado National Forest and a private land farm.
We have been in the cattle business in Arizona for over 125 years preserving our western ranching customs, culture and heritage dating back to our pioneering ancestors who settled in Arizona Territory in the 1880’s. Our multi-generational responsibility has given us a long-term view of the necessity to be excellent stewards of the grasslands and water resources we respectfully manage in Arizona. The Arizona Cattle Growers’ Association presented me with the Cattleman of the Year award in 2002.
However, we are challenged by the fact that 4 miles of the southern boundary of our ranch is the international border. The border is not signed or marked and consists of a five-strand barbed wire fence similar to most ranch fences. Our ranch house and headquarters are located 19 miles from the border. We have been burglarized twice by drug packers on their way back to Mexico. Our losses have been great and our sense of security in our own country has been severely damaged. We live with weapons near our bed, at the doors, in our vehicles and attached to our saddles.
I am pleased to testify on behalf of the Honorable Rob Bishop’s draft legislation to strengthen the U. S. Border Patrol’s ability to carry out its mission to manage, control and protect U.S. borders at and between official ports of entry. We believe the Border Patrol must be enabled to keep terrorists and terrorist weapons out of the United States. In addition, the Border Patrol, together with other local, state and federal agencies, must not be unduly hampered in their efforts to stop drug runners and undocumented aliens from entering the United States.
It would have been impossible to win World War II if the military had been forced to comply with current laws such as the National Environmental Policy Act, Endangered Species Act, Clean Water Act and dozens of other laws enacted by Congress after World War II. There is no way the war would have been won if the military had been obliged to complete endless Environmental Impact Statements, fund or carry out mitigation projects and suffer through years of radical environmental corporations’ lawsuits and appeals. We must not tie up our national defense at the border with red tape.
National Security demands that drug traffickers, terrorists and undocumented aliens be prevented from entering the United States at the border. Currently, on our ranch these people often travel 10 to 20 miles inside our country before the Border Patrol attempts to apprehend them. We have heard that, a few years ago, the Border Patrol found seven backpacks near our ranch which contained Yemeni Passports. Were the owners of the backpacks tourists or terrorists? We understand that significant numbers of persons apprehended–the ones who are caught–are not just Mexican citizens looking for work. The entrants include others with various motives. We strongly believe the Border Patrol must CONTROL THE BORDER AT THE BORDER.
The Border Patrol reported to the Government Accountability Office that by October 2010 it had control of 873 miles of the nearly 2,000 miles of the Southwest border, or 44%. This is not an acceptable situation for those of us who live along the other thousand-plus miles, nor is it a reassuring report when one considers that terrorists and criminals both have enormous areas through which they can pass. Wouldn’t it make sense to CONTROL THE BORDER AT THE BORDER by completing the border fence, establishing functioning 21st century communications, installing cameras and sensors, using drones, helicopters, satellites and other proven technologies developed by the military at the border rather than to trying to apprehend illegal crossers ten and 20 miles and often 70 to 100 miles inside the border?
Of course, back-up personnel should be deployed for a second and third line of defense to catch crossers who manage to penetrate border controls. As a practical matter, with about 22,500 people guarding our borders (21,000 Border Patrol and 1,500 National Guard) one third might be deployed along the Canadian Border while the balance could patrol the southern border. As a consequence, there could be at least 5 or 6 personnel per mile stationed at or very near the border. Past strategies of letting border crossers of all kinds freely travel well into the United States prior to any attempted interdiction have left us and our neighboring ranchers and communities in a no-man’s land.
The Border Patrol needs to be able to construct roads and place forward operating bases at or very close to the border to CONTROL THE BORDER AT THE BORDER. Currently, the Tucson, Arizona Sector personnel report to work in downtown Tucson, check out weapons and vehicles and then drive between one and a half and three hours to reach the border. The waste of time and the high cost of each officer traveling to and from the border in his or her individual Border Patrol vehicle are outrageous. The largest number of vehicles on the 23-mile Arivaca Road are Border Patrol vehicles going to and from shifts of duty. Perhaps a forward operating base in Arivaca, Sasabe and other places near the border would be a step forward. In summary, the Border Patrol must be able to construct the remainder of the promised fence, construct appropriate access roads, reduce the unacceptable daily commute from a distant city, and construct forward operating bases now without the burden and limitations resulting from existing environmental laws which are often given higher priority than national security.
Checkpoints on highways 30 and 40 miles north of the border should not be permanent since terrorists, druggers and undocumented aliens simply bypass the permanent locations on foot or on secondary roads. Systematically changing the location of checkpoints creates an element of surprise. Permanent checkpoints have proven to funnel illegal traffic into nearby communities forcing residents of border communities including Arivaca, Tubac, Green Valley, and Rio Rico to contend with shootings, robberies, and threatening trespassers. We are told by the Border Patrol that approximately 20% of the undocumented border crossers have criminal records or one in five is a known MS-13 gangster, burglar, murderer or just a common criminal.
There also needs to be a serious look into conflicts between the Border Patrol’s mission and the power of other federal land managers to put their agendas ahead of national security. One example of appalling funding losses faced by the Border Patrol is that Homeland Security had to give US Fish and Wildlife Service $50 million of its funds (which were of course deficit funds borrowed from China in the first place) so US Fish & Wildlife Service could study bats and other wildlife. This interagency agreement was for “mitigation” of the impacts of building the border fence. We find it difficult to understand how bats can be affected by a fence and wonder how such low-priority agendas have been empowered to divert appropriations from national security. The scientific intent of studying bats should be evaluated and prioritized openly in national science funding or Fish and Wildlife funds, not hidden where it raises serious questions of national priorities.
Upon some research we find that the initial $6.8 million “border security fence mitigation projects” include:
Projects to Benefit Environment on the Southwest Border
10/13/2010
The First Mitigation Projects: a. Sasabe Biological Opinion Arizona $2,119,000 b. Organ Pipe Cactus NM Biological Opinion Arizona $980,000 c. San Bernardino Valley Mitigation Arizona $657,480 d. Rio Yaqui Fish Studies Arizona $441,250 e. Peninsular Bighorn Sheep Study California $230,000 f. Coronado NM Agave Restoration Arizona $274,873 g. Northern Aplomado Falcon Reintroduction and Habitat Restoration New Mexico $499,700 h. Border-wide Bat Conservation Arizona $925,000 First, the title, “Projects to Benefit Environment on the Southwest Border” is preposterous in the face of the critical need for actually improving the environment on the southwest border by reducing the cross-country driving by drug packers and the garbage piles mounting in virtually every secluded border canyon. Second, for what purpose is the balance of the $50 million going to be spent ($43,200,000). Are these moneys just waiting for diversion to another “study?” Could these funds be recovered to apply to reducing the national debt?
Our ranching operation has been the proud recipient of two environmental awards and the subject of articles in conservation magazines. We monitor and manage our grasslands and riparian areas to maintain and enhance their biodiversity and productivity. The constant cross-country driving, and attendant damage directly caused by illegal vehicle traffic, visibly affect the environment miles inside the border. This situation is not confined to our ranch but is absolutely typical on every border ranch. To address a bit of the problem, hunting groups conduct huge garbage collection drives on border ranches each year just to make a dent in the plastic milk jugs, plastic bags and unmentionable other items littering the border area. If the Border Patrol CONTROLLED THE BORDER AT THE BORDER the environment 50 and 100 miles into America would no longer suffer this genuine abuse.
Consequently, since we see REAL environmental damage resulting from the failure to CONTROL THE BORDER AT THE BORDER, we view bat studies and all the rest of the supposed “projects to benefit the border environment” with a highly dubious eye. It appears to me that U.S. Fish and Wildlife should be funded by Congress directly to carry out those aspects of its mission deemed genuine priorities and should NOT be statutorily authorized to use a back door to wring money out of other agencies, money that you voted for on the belief it would advance national security and not be diverted to other purposes.
Another serious concern facing border ranchers and residents of border communities is that criminals engaged in human and drug transportation find it convenient to use Wildlife Refuges and Wilderness areas as easy corridors to hide and travel. My fellow rancher, Rob Krentz, was murdered with the killer escaping back to Mexico through the San Bernardino National Refuge. Emphatically, we oppose the designation of any and all new Wilderness Areas, Wildlands or Refuges within 100 miles of the southern border. Such designations are virtual gifts to Mexican drug cartels.
In addition, the Border Patrol must have the ability to immediately construct helicopter landing pads on mountain tops and any other locations so that Mexican cartel scouts occupying mountain tops inside the United States can be easily and quickly rooted out. Waiting for months or years for NEPA analysis, Endangered Species Act concerns and slow federal land management decisions is not compatible with the Border Patrol mission to CONTROL THE BORDER AT THE BORDER.
Unfortunately, Mexican cartel scouts, with the best binoculars, night vision and encrypted satellite phones, have been found to occupy the tops of mountains near our ranch headquarters and other locations all along the border and dozens of miles inside Arizona. As a consequence, the foreign cartel scouts know where the Border Patrol is located at all times and can then carefully guide the druggers and people smugglers through the mountains and valleys without being spotted. Not only do the scouts know where the Border Patrol is at all times, but they can observe me, my brother and our three cowboys riding horseback conducting our daily ranch work. Our houses are also easily monitored from mountains surrounding our headquarters. The cartel scouts must be immediately taken out of action by force if the border is to be secured.
I have an acquaintance who is a retired federal worker whose house has been burglarized 10 times by illegal border crossers on their way back to Mexico after having dumped their drug loads. We have been burglarized twice with serious losses. Many of our neighbors have suffered similar loss of security and property. Most all ranchers in the border area can not leave their houses since experience demonstrates that their homes will certainly be broken into if someone is not there. The Border Patrol must CONTROL THE BORDER AT THE BORDER so that citizens’ civil rights, property rights and human rights are protected. Ranchers along the border can not have peace of mind until the border is secured.
And here are some proposed answers:
Restore our Border plan from the Arizona Cattle Growers Association
Probationary Presence…another Immigration Law Reform Proposal
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What does “securing the border” really mean?
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April 16th, 2011 on 7:49 am
Raul has been leading the effort to create a federal wilderness area in the Tumacacori Mountains which would just make it even more difficult to stop illegal entry and drug smuggling.
April 16th, 2011 on 8:38 am
You two have hit the nail on the head. As illegals continue to enter the US the more ”OUR POLITICIANS ” (and I use the words loosley) will be influenced.
I will let your imaginazation continue on that thought.
April 16th, 2011 on 9:12 am
Let’s face it, as it stands there is more money to be made using the land to smuggle drugs than to raise animals for slaughter. Cash flow trumps legality, even morality, in the current system. Think of it as being outmaneuvered by a competitor.
But opportunites abound, don’t they? Perhaps ranchers will lose their jobs to the “competition”, but I’m always being told that the workers who have lost their livelihoods to the competition of cheap overseas manual labor have only their own preference to being on the so-called “public teat” to blame for their inability to overcome the situation they find themselves in. So, ranchers, quit whining and go out there and get a job! You’ve been “downsized” by competitive forces. It’s the American way.
April 16th, 2011 on 10:04 am
It’s too bad the commentators had to turn the discussion so political. The rancher gave someone, me, who is against the over building of the fence a sense of the real problems faced by ranchers near the border. I’m interested in solutions that most can live with.
Equating preserving wildlife or studying bats with not being against drug trafficking is not helpful. I’m certain there are many people who enjoy using the outdoor wildlife spaces and by studying bats scientists can learn more about humans perceive things and possibly develop services that benefit humans (even border patrol).
The drug trafficking problem is directly related to American’s addiction on drugs. We build prisons instead of treatment centers. We promote addictions instead of scorn them. Building up the fence has also cost Tucson millions in DAILY revenue as Mexicans who use to LEGALLY cross the border to go shopping, don’t.
So is building the border and yelling at your representatives and complaining about preserving open land and studying bats worth losing MILLIONS a day in revenue to businesses so that we can fund the building of more private prisons?
The rancher has obviously thought through this issue. He has legitimate concerns. But cowboy knee-jerk reactions aren’t going to solve any problems, rather create more.
Instead of bringing condescension to the party how about bringing a good attitude that the citizens that you call your enemies want to solve problems. Illegal smuggling is a pain-in-the ass problem with real consequences among a long line of cause and effect.
April 16th, 2011 on 2:03 pm
However…when funds appropriated to Department of Homeland Security to secure the border are diverted to US Fish & Wildlife for that agency’s interests subverts the whole system. If Congress wants to appropriate money to study bats…fine…but for one federal agency to hijack funds from another federal agency and evade Congressional oversight….that is wrong.
April 16th, 2011 on 10:10 am
As you point out, there are definitely two sides to every story. Two things that were left out of the narrative were the roles America plays in the problem–1) supplying most of the guns and 2) supplying the growing number of addicts who use the drugs. Perhaps legalizing drugs (but not allowing advertising), and taxing the sales would be a smarter way to go. Given the size of the problem, we might be able to pay off our deficit with drug money. I’m not joking. My other thought is that it’s more than time to seal both sides of the border, the side coming in and the side going out. Shut down the Arizona gun shows and most of the gun dealers–people need to be able to protect themselves, but it’s clear that this is not the reason most guns are purchased here.
April 16th, 2011 on 10:26 am
Pat says….
“Two things that were left out of the narrative were the roles America plays in the problem–1) supplying most of the guns and 2) supplying the growing number of addicts who use the drugs.”
Pat, two things you may have missed. #1 read the STRATFOR article on how 90% of “crime guns” recovered in Mexico ARE NOT traced to the US. (notice how you no longer hear that mythical 90% of Mex DTO guns from US gunshops stat anymore?)
And #2, how the ATF (our gun tax police) have encouraged the sale of, and allowed the smuggling of over 2k firearms to known and suspected cartel gun buyers. Many of these firearms responsible for the deaths of over 100 Mexican Citizens in Mx, One USBP, and US ICE agent….
Time to get with the program… 8^)
April 17th, 2011 on 5:44 am
” Two things that were left out of the narrative were the roles America plays in the problem–1) supplying most of the guns”
Pat – get a CLUE! This is just total GARBAGE being feed to you by the MSM, Mexico and OUR GOVERNMENT! Gun Dealers in the U.S. DO NOT sell automatic weapons, grenade launchers, explosives – all the things the Mexican cartels are using. They are getting this stuff from the Mexican Army, weapons dealers, and OUR CIA (who By the way is HEAVILY involved in the drug trade – it’s FACT go research it!). Go down to your local gun store and try to buy ANY of that – I bet you can’t and I bet you have DHS knocking on your door the same day.
“Shut down the Arizona gun shows and most of the gun dealers–people need to be able to protect themselves, but it’s clear that this is not the reason most guns are purchased here.”
Oh boy are you a gun grabbing liberal….. Again the guns sold at these guns shows ARE NOT what the cartels are using! I go to PLENTY of gun shows and I can tell you NONE of what is being sold is REALLY being used by them. The U.S. Government sends in “patsys” to buy stuff to make it LOOK like they are. Hell BATF is PURPOSELY allowing guns down toe Mexico – it’s been ADMITTED by one of their OWN agents. YOUR OWN Government is doing whatever it can to get public opinion to go against the 2nd Amendment – so they can DISARM US. Looks like it’s working – your buying into it. Look at Mexico – they are a DISARMED population – the only ones that have the guns are the CRIMINALS – how is being disarmed working out for them – they can’t defend themselves?
April 17th, 2011 on 9:32 am
Techie is absolutely right….most of the guns in the hands of the Mexican drug cartels are military grade stuff coming from arms supplies in other countries…probably originally from the US via “military assistance”. The gun shops have actually tried to stop the flow of weapons from the US but were “encouraged” by ATF to sell weapons to “straw buyers” as part of ATF’s “fast and furious” gun walking scheme. Two of those ATF “walked” guns turned up at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry down here.
April 16th, 2011 on 12:23 pm
Dear Sad Angry Rancher,
Here’s a thought–I would contend that eventually the cartels will realize that private ranches/farms on the border are even better smuggling routes than your hated wildlife refuges.
Ranches have the infrastructure and less management and access by law enforcement than refuges. Eventually Mr. Sad Angry Rancher, you WILL be driven off/bought out/compromised. I would be willing to bet it has already happened in some places.
Would you look the other way for 100k? 200k? I guarentee you you have a price…and the salesman from the cartel is coming.
No amount of guns or fences or helicopters or stopping bat research or driving all over the wilderness is going to stop smuggling.
Until the root casues are addressed–the insatiable hunger of Americans for drugs and an economic and political situation in Mexico that facilitates the traffic, all you have to do is wait for the cartel salesman and ask yourself, how much will it cost for me to look the other way?
April 16th, 2011 on 2:07 pm
Looktheotherwayfor100k: You are so badly wrong….on the Mexican side of the border obviously some ranches were bought…but others have been killed or burnt out…including a ranch across the border near Nogales.
In fact there is total Border Patrol access on the ranches….the obstacle is not the ranchers but the Forest Service and environmental groups that oppose building roads and fences on federal land.
The ranchers on this side of the border have, in many cases, been there for generations and they don’t want to sell out, or be forced out.
April 17th, 2011 on 5:35 am
Then the ranchers need to get heavily armed. Think back to the “old west” – the 1800′s if someone did this kind of stuff back then the ranchers would DEFEND their ranch. What happened since the 1800′s? Have the ranchers gotten scared to defend themselves, their families, their property?
April 17th, 2011 on 9:37 am
Having spent a lot of time on the border ranches some realities:
Indeed life in the borderlands is now very similar to what it was like during the Apache Wars. And it took a serious US military presernce to stop that. Many ranch families go back to those days so the stories are about their ancestors who lived through that time.
A Winchester 94 is no match for an AK 47. Yes, ranchers typically are armed when they are out and about…but you’d be a fool to shoot at the drug smugglers.
Finally, if one tries and protect their property you are likely to get sued for violating the civil rights of the drug smugglers or illegal aliens…which has happened in Arizona.
April 17th, 2011 on 8:29 am
The ranchers on this side of the border have, in many cases, been there for generations and they don’t want to sell out, or be forced out.
People who worked for years in the automotive industry didn’t want to be downsized or “be forced out” either. Things change. We can’t keep a moribund industry alive through subsidy just because some find it romantic.
April 17th, 2011 on 8:35 am
The ranchers on this side of the border have, in many cases, been there for generations and they don’t want to sell out, or be forced out.
People in the automotive industry didn’t want to “be forced out” either. Things change. We can’t keep a moribund industry alive through even greater subsidy just because some find it romantic. Even if you’ve “been there for generations”, you will still need about 5 bucks to get a latte at Starbucks.
April 17th, 2011 on 10:30 am
One of these days Americans are going to wake up and find out that by down-sizing our manufacuring capacity and exporting that to China, eliminating our domestic mineral production because no one wants a mine in their county, and eliminating all our domestic food production (such as beef) in favor of buying eveything from abroad….we are going to be in really deep trouble because our oil and goods and food will be cut off unless we either learn to speak Chinese or convert to Islam.
April 16th, 2011 on 12:27 pm
Legalize drugs, put border guards on the border. Pay them a sizable bonus for every illegal apprehended and sent back to Mexico. End of problem.
April 16th, 2011 on 12:54 pm
Raul Grijalva will probably disagree with everything this rancher has testified to. I am sure he is totally aware of the illegal votes that were dumped and counted in Yuma and Southern Arizona in the last election. And still……our government will stand by and do nothing. How about the area that is posted along I-8 warning people about the illegal traffic and cartels? For that to occur in the U.S. is shameful.
April 16th, 2011 on 1:01 pm
All we have to do is bring the troops home from guarding Europe from whoever and place them on the border. Allow them to shoot on site any invaders they see and the problem is gone. It’s so simple yet everyone wants to make it seem like an insurmountable multifaceted problem. To heck with root problems, just start shooting the invaders.
April 16th, 2011 on 2:25 pm
Out-of-control illegal immigration, yet another violation of our rights. Add it to the list of gov’t violations of our right:
They violate the 1st Amendment by placing protesters in cages, banning books like “America Deceived II” and censoring the internet.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns.
They violate the 4th and 5th Amendment by molesting airline passengers.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting undeclared wars for foreign countries.
Impeach Obama and sweep out the Congress.
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April 16th, 2011 on 5:57 pm
The only answer is to work through to the supreme court laws that allow the states to protect the borders that the lackys will not do at the federal level. Then re-institute the Arizona and Texas Rangers and empower them to protect the border. Some prisons with hard labor…chain gangs, etc. might help as well. Jobs for America protecting America. I would gladly donate to the cause.
April 16th, 2011 on 7:23 pm
After hearing the senate hearings on Border Patrol access to federal lands, I enjoyed reading Jim Chilton’s website on the history of their ranch. His testimony was worth more than any 10 politicians or government bureaucrats like the woman next to him. As a winter vacationer from Minnesota looking to buy in AZ, I have to consider the problems caused by inadequate border security. I commend the Border Patrol for their efforts; let’s clear a path through the bureaucracy so they can “protect the border at the border”
April 16th, 2011 on 9:42 pm
First Thing–the Patriot Act allows the Director of Homeland Security to forgo ANY federal or state regulations that would impact the sucessful execution of the mission of DHS. This means NEPA, Endangered Species Act, and laws protecting priceless cultural resources. This “out” has been taken several times.
Second Thing—Border Patrol (DEA, ATF etc.) has all the access to Federal and State lands they desire. Period.
The problem is that BP and the US GOV in general are responding to smuggling in a linear fashion to a non-linear threat. Example–BP has only one way to measure operational success: pounds of drugs seized and # smugglers caught. This limits the way that they respond to smuggling–this is the reason they conduct most operations miles from the border–because that’s where they can catch drugs and smugglers. Honestly, they don’t want to (and can’t really) stop the drugs from coming, because if they do, the decrease in pounds and arrests will make it appear that they are not doing thier job! I feel bad for them, a catch-22. Ask yourself this: has the price of dope or meth or heroine (coke has gone up a smidge but this may not be a response to interdiction) gone up? Nope. Current methods are a big fail.
If this problem could be stopped with walls and guns and tanks it would have by now. America loves drugs. Mexico is politically and economically unstable, leading to it being an excellent major supplier. Until these things change, the raw market forces of the drug trade will keep the US Mexico border as it is or worse.
Just think about all the corpses in the desert the next time you are taking that bong hit.
April 17th, 2011 on 6:00 am
“Border Patrol (DEA, ATF etc.) has all the access to Federal and State lands they desire. Period.”
Actually their access is limited to the roads and infrastructure available. Air access is limited to available resources. Either thru policy or regulation, off road vehicle travel does not happen in wilderness areas. If the fence was completed as per the Secure Fence Act ( a double layered fence with a road between them) apprehensions would increase dramatically. Currently anywhere between 3-5 illegal border crossers get through for everyone that is caught. There is a direct correlation between the drug war escalation in Mexico and our building of the fence. As the fence was built many of the better drug routes were closed. Much of the violence in Mexico is over control over those remaining routes.
Now some will give us the 18 ft fence/ ladder story. Total spin on what a fence is supposed to do. They know that a fence is not a stand alone option. Every important asset in this country is protected by a fence. Military bases, industrial and research facilities and even the White House. Fences work when adequate personnel are available to secure it. A fence is just one part of an overall plan.
Border security isn’t just about the drug trade. It is about the sovereignty of this country and it’s security. It is about know who comes in, what their intent is and having the choice to decide.
April 17th, 2011 on 10:06 am
No…BP can fly, helicopter or off-road drive over any wilderness they want, and if the Director says, roads or helispots will go in. And it won’t matter!
Sure it’s a question of sovereignty, but where’s the fence with Canada? All the migrants are controlled by the cartels, cartels traffic drugs, an industry made possible by the political and economic ruin that is Mexico.
I’m telling you, guns and walls don’t matter. Talking and finding solutions works. It’s the only thing that will work.
Adios!
April 17th, 2011 on 12:26 am
Brother, these Libertarian pot-loving fanatics just won’t quit, will they! Legalizing marijuana and other illicit drugs won’t change anything. It would only result in dope-addict Americans buying dope grown by the Cartel. If you want to smoke pot legally, then move to Amsterdam and join your junk-shooting, cocaine snorting leftist friends lying on the sidewalks doped out of their gourds!
Should Americans be doing business with the Cartel–supplying them with AK-47s to murder our brave BP and ICE agents or should our Special Forces be sent deep into Mexico to root the Cartel out? Jim Chilton is absolutely right. Not only should the BP be ON the Border but so should about 50,000 National Guard troops with all the equipment and back-up they need. The cost of placing so many armed forces on the Border would be paid by Mexico. For every illegal alien Mexican caught and deported, the U.S. would be paid $1,000 by Mexico for the trouble. Call it “a bounty” but it would be perfectly legal. If Mexico refuses to pay, then severe tariffs would be slapped on all products coming from The Narco State. Tourism would be discouraged by the Feds, hurting Mexico financially even more. As for the $200 billion sent by illegals here to their families in Mexico every year, we can find ways to tax that money. Yankee ingenuity trumps all!
Sadly, this Administration has given up on enforcing Federal law. It’s going to be a long wait till late January 2013…
April 19th, 2011 on 8:57 am
saying people who are for marijuana legaliztion are drugged out leftists, along with the rest of that garbage really making yourself seem like an ignorant fool, just two cents
April 17th, 2011 on 12:50 am
Many of my American friends of Mexican descent (& also so much of what I have observed has given me the conclusion that many – my friends of Mex. descent tell me “all”) of our chicano politicians are working for Mexico! It would not surprise me in the least. Several of the towns down here appear to be bought out by the cartels or Mex. Mafia. That is why Raulito makes environmental refuges in the place(s) where there is tons of illegals being brought through (so the Border Patrol have to go through all kinds of red tape to be able to get there and by that time, the illegals are snuck through). A retired Colonel told me once, “Just put the military on the border (that is exactly what the military do – protect borders) “shoot to kill” (illegals are making it possible for Arab terrorists to sneak in amongst them) and the “illegal invasion” will stop within 24 hours! Let’s do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 17th, 2011 on 5:31 am
As a former Arizonan (who grew up there), I can say that those who are still in Arizona need to give the big middle finger to the politicians – THEY WON”T LISTEN TO YOU – THEY WILL NOT HELP YOU! You have a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to protect your selves and your property – USE IT! Even if 50% of Arizonans did this it would make a HUGE difference. Arizona needs to IMMEDIATELY pass a 10th amendment rights bill and TAKE CHARGE. The Federal Government CAN NOT tell you that you cannot protect yourselves. SHOOT TO KILL – ASK QUESTIONS LATER! There is enough desert in Arizona to bury the bodies. Folks you have a RIGHT to protect your country from a foreign invasion – and that is EXACTLY what this is – PERIOD! Get off your fat lazy @$$e$, turn off the darn TV – the hell with football, American Idol, and Dancing with the Stars – they sure AS HELL won’t help you.
April 17th, 2011 on 6:29 am
This problem is easy to solve. Stop all benefits to illegal aliens – jobs, education, medical care etc., and not one penny to Mexico or any other nation that urges its people to break our laws. Without the goodies, they’ll leave. This is a dream, however, as we have too many traitors now who will fight against this solution. As long as illegal immigration is profitable to so many, it will continue.
April 17th, 2011 on 8:10 am
Good points but how about hitting the meth users and dopers in this country so hard they dont create a market for the Certels.
April 17th, 2011 on 8:45 am
Be happy, fraser. Today is not only the anniversary of the Bay of Pigs, but you can go and celebrate by watching “Atlas Shrugged”.
April 17th, 2011 on 6:58 am
Bill the Butcher and friends,
You really think that illegal immigrants are a major problem? You think some poor slob who’s life in southern Mexico is so bad that he is willing to risk his life and everyone he loves life to come clean toilets in Sheboygan is the root of all of Americas woes?
America is the greatest country in the world. We can handle all the decent hardworking migrants there are. The problem is the cartels, the drugs, the unimginable violence. The fences we build are just trapping us in with meth fueled monsters we created. The guns and shooting other commenters are advocating are going to have to be used against our own raving meth zombie childern!
So lock and load you Know Nothing pukes! Here comed Madison and Jake and they want to eat your brains…and you can’t get out–you built a wall! HA HA HA
If you want me, I’ll be sipping tequila with my cartel master in Cabo. Adios
April 25th, 2011 on 5:02 pm
I agree with Look. The criminals-in-the-making on this thread think killing poor Mexican migrants is a solution???? What kind of subhumans believe such crap, where’s is your humanity? Obviously you are not able to use what ever reptilian brain God gave you to think yourself out of a paper bag.
Look has the patience of a saint.
April 17th, 2011 on 7:18 am
Many of these observations have validity and some do not. It is my experience in working in Forest lands that excessive roads in NF lands, legal and illegal, are part of the problem, not a solution. And the BP needs new methods of operation (and they are starting to do this) by taking their agents out of the office and placing them in the field in temporary shelters close to problem areas.
In working in enforcement, having 10 or 20 roads (or many more) running through a NF creates opportunities for coyotes and drug runners to move people and drugs quicker and easier through those areas. The problem has been the inability for the BP to get out into the field in a timely basis…and the BP needs to be IN THE FIELD. I spent a lifetime catching and pursuing organized poaching syndicates outside our countries National Parks and or methods of operation included being in the field close to the action, and as importantly, a much higher level of intelligence gathering and detection. The technology to pick up EVERY cell phone call and its location is in the area and the ability to pinpoint through GPS tracking EVERY observer in the area is a no-brainer.
The essential issue is having more people on the ground at all times. Intelligence work prior to these groups even getting to the border is of paramount importance as well. A lot of the work needs to be done in Mexico in order to disrupt communications, logistics, and planning by the cartels. And it could be done. And far too little of that is being done, at this point.
April 17th, 2011 on 10:35 am
canyoneer …you are on the right track and your experience is very relevant.
Where the BP has set up Forward Observation Bases along the border and used the “line fence trails” on horseback…they have made a serious dent in the smuggling and illegal entry. A major problem is the BP approaches securing the border mostly via vehicles…driving around…hoping to catch someone 10 or 40 or 90 miles inside the country.
There would be a lot less environmental damage due to illegal entry if the BP assets were concentrated at the line.
April 17th, 2011 on 8:10 am
Funny how the local governments have no problem seizing/purchasing someone’s property via eminent domain for a shopping mall but the federal government claims it can’t put a fence along the entire border because much of it is privately owned.
April 17th, 2011 on 10:24 am
The areas where there are no fences…at least west of Nogales…are all federal land.
East of Nogales the feds condmened the private lands for the fence.
April 17th, 2011 on 9:09 am
Techie Patriot….my thoughts exactly….BUT what most on here fail to realize….there is conspiracy in all aspects of gov’t politics…innocent people are being forced out of their homes…gov’t is funding and catering to the illegals….we are spending more money assisting the illegals in our country….BUT THE FREAKING FENCE UP…WITH HIGH VOLTAGE ELECTRIC ….OUR COUNTRY IS BEING INVADED!!!!…U.S. CITIZENS LIVING ON THE BORDER….STAND WITH GUNS IN HAND AND SHOOT THE INVADERS….WE NEED TO START TAKING CARE OF OUR OWN….
April 25th, 2011 on 5:07 pm
dumb
April 17th, 2011 on 1:39 pm
I believe the solution is very simple, pay the Mexican government to block the border. Italy had the same type of arrangement with Lybia. It was very effective and a bargain for Italy by slashing their cost to capture and deport illegal aliens. Lybia was a staging area for Africans trying to enter Western Europe and Italy was the entry point of choice.
I would propose paying the Mexican government a substantial sum , maybe $2M per day. This amount would be debited by some amount, maybe $5,000 per unlawful entrant captured and deported by CPB. Do the math, based on the figures mentioned above, if the CPB apprehends and deports 400 people in a month, the amount paid to the Mexican government is zero.
Not only would this method be very effective but cost efficient by saving the US money in the short and long term. Since Mexico’s constitution allows the government to send troops to their border, this plan would incentivize their deployment. It also motivates CPB to capture as many illegal entrants as possible to recover monies that would be paid to the Mexican government.
Two motivated forces with the same goal, to stop illegal entrants into US sovereign territory. This would be many times more effective that the current system and I guarantee would cost less annually than our current “plan”, or lack thereof.
I am sure we could get some of those smart people in the CBO to work out the numbers so we could come out ahead by contracting the work to a lower cost labor force. After all, that is the basis of our relationship with Mexico today.
April 17th, 2011 on 1:44 pm
Good comment. But pay the Mexican government!! LOL Illegal immigration is a source of income for Mexico.
April 25th, 2011 on 5:07 pm
smart
April 30th, 2011 on 1:48 pm
This is about the most stupid thing I heard so far. Pay Mexico to secure their side of the border! We already send Mexico millions of dollars, and for what? Our beloved government is kissing their @&&. Mexico needs to start paying us for all the damage and costs incurring by their people. I believe the ranchers and all citizens have the right to protect what they have worked hard for, and the government has no right to stop them. I would not hesitate to blow someone away if they decided they wanted what I worked hard for. I agree with bringing the military home to guard and protect our borders. Shoot on sight any illegal entrants.
April 17th, 2011 on 4:08 pm
Re: Comment by leftfield. ”The American way”?? The day it becomes the American way to be content to be nothing more than a nation of sheep content to watch the horror of our own demise from the sidelines, that is the day I eat the proverbial barrel . As a vehement liberal I didn’t want to be drafted and be forced to go to Nam and kill innocent civilians as though they were Charlie. But fought I did to stay alive and get back here in one piece. But if I’d known at the time my country would someday morph into the apathetic pudding pie it passes itself off for as America today, I’d have stayed in Asia. That was why after 40 years of being a hardcore democrat I changed my affiliation to Independent. The hypocrisy of both parties in hiding their true intentions for allowing the entire uneducated, unskilled, impoverished nation of mexico to join the 12 to 20 million already here at the rate of another million per year makes me sick. And all the while we sit around on our obese rear ends philosophizing and blaming each other for all our nation’s woes. Democrats are simply chasing new party members while republicans are looking for cheap labor. Plain and simple. They ignore the jobless Americans already here because they’d rather hire two illegals for half the pay and none of the benefits they’d have to pay an American because they are too corrupt and crooked to do the right and loyal thing for the American worker. (And I’m no “unionist” either) No wonder the only thing we lead the world in now in is the making and selling of military hardware.But hey, at least we can console ourselves in knowing we have become the #1 consumers of chinese goods.Goods that we used to make, but no long do.But I digress. I may not have agreed with that rancher on every point but one thing I do know. He wasn’t just speaking for border folks and his fellow ranchers, he was speaking for every American citizen and legal immigrant of this state and all states beyond who have watched their hispanic populations triple or quadruple in the last 10-15 years. Think they’re all legal? And now we have to sit back and watch as Arizona towns and cities turn from the once-typical southwestern American towns or cities they once were into your typical mexican town or city. We didn’t move to mexico, mexico moved to us! Do you honestly believe Phoenix turned into the #1 city for the crimes of kidnapping and home invasion in this country and #2 in the entire world because all those humble yardrakers and nannies decided to make it into that? Now that doesn’t make any sense does it? We all know it’s because those cartel bums walked right in along side all those yard rakers and nannies that so many seem to actually believe are the only ones who are crossing. And what was our fearless leader Obama’s reaction to the recently completed U.S. investigation that confirmed Mexican drug cartels have taken up positions on most of our border mountain tops with sophisticated surveillance equipment to track our border patrol at all times? He ordered signs be posted on all our National Forest lands that run along our southern border that say in effect, “”Enter at Your Own Risk! Known Human Smuggling Area!” Our “President” thought it would be better to not offend the mexican government so he basically ceded all our border National Forest lands to illegal alien criminals to be used as their own private port of entry into the U.S. Did he protect us Americans who have hiked and hunted and fished that area for generations? Of course not. The best he could do was warn off American citizens with signs rather than actually protecting us. I could go on and on but I’m too sickened by my own government to even waste any more time complaining. it ain’t like they listen to a thing we say anyway. All we get is lip service for our trouble.
April 18th, 2011 on 6:37 am
To the author of this article, all I can say is ‘thank you’. You’ve provided clear, conclusive evidence of what is really going on in the real world along this region. I’ve been saying the same for years – the damage to not only social cohesion but also the last remaining areas of wilderness on EARTH, are self-evident. It’s not racist to hateful to address this issue and I do not care what colour or nationality is coming across; this nation is facing an explosive population growth, explosive damage to its social services, its environment, its culture. It’s future. Yet try entering this country from Europe intending to do it the right way – hold out your arms because that’s the length of the entry requirements that greet you, usually by some surly immigration staff or cop who thinks picking on the wrong people is going to make a difference.
Take it from a European citizen. What you are facing today has largely destroyed Europe – England, France, Spain, Switzerland, Norway..the list goes on. We ALL face the same problem in so far as too many people wanting access to too few resources. The globalists look upon the last remaining areas of wilderness with utter..utter scorn. These areas bind us to our past, our present but not our future because they are being destroyed so fast just to feed their insatiable greed, not our benefit. America is not a land of infinite resource (look at California after the Latino population explosion). You’re being destroyed internally..eaten alive by a festering, cancerous growth whilst American troops are sent to find yet more corporate wars. It makes me SICK to see them silence the people that speak out about the scale of conflict, the bloodshed, murder, rape and mayhem on THIS soil, the likes of which far exceed the casualty rates in Iraq.
What gives these people a God-damn right to demand resources in this manner? This is NOT their country, it’s yours, the American people. Learn from OUR mistakes here in Europe because once this problem takes hold you cannot stop it. You cannot address is by building super highways, by linking Mexico to Canada. It just won’t happen. Look after your own interests first and you won’t need to worry so much about sustainability, or crime, or all the money the Federal Reserve can’t seem to trace. The American dream is so incredibly fragile, it’s priceless but you’re letting people into your country who don’t respect anything but their own greed. This includes the American politicians destroying you from within by answering only to their private, offshore global interests. That is the source of this problem. These interests are bankrupting you both financially and culturally. They want to see you fail. They want to see you destroyed along with your free speech.
America has a problem it’s administration has consistently failed to address – and now, America attempts to fix this problem by putting a plaster over a tuma. It knows this won’t cure the disease, but it likes to fool you into thinking it does. You know where the problem is, it’s not just external.
April 25th, 2011 on 5:21 pm
I hear blatant bigotry towards the Hispanic peoples by your comment “explosive damage to its social services, its environment, its culture.” What damage to social services? Hogwash Fox propaganda. If anything the environment is ruined by U.S. businesses polluting. And damage to whose culture? White america I suspect; the irish, jews, blacks, get in line hispanics, you are the scapegoats of the day.
May 7th, 2011 on 9:47 am
Thank you William… maybe a few here will listen. You have so hit the nail on the head. Thank you, thank you.
April 18th, 2011 on 6:49 am
Sorry guys, but you all are waisting your breath on this issue. The govt. has and is selling us out to the globalists, which involves La Raza’s/Maldef’s/MeCha’s plans to take over not only the So. West U.S. but the entire country. The truth is coming out about this attempt to make the US, Canada and Mex. one country and the only way that it will be stopped is complete revolution. This all will be happening in the next several months, not yrs. So sit back and watch the show and when you finally realize the truth, lock and load. America will witness her 2nd. revolution.
April 25th, 2011 on 5:25 pm
nuts
April 18th, 2011 on 9:55 am
My goodness, Rancher Chilton is one helluva angry fellow!
I read his diatribe twice.
He managed to make at least one good point, like the most obvious one of all, which is that the BP should “protect the border at the border.”
(Which, on second thought, seems so disingenuous of him, really, because he surely knows how rugged the border is.)
Meanwhile, I’m waiting for a return call from the Santa Cruz County’s Sheriff’s Department, because I want to check out another astonishing claim Chilton made:
“Permanent checkpoints have proven to funnel illegal traffic into nearby communities forcing residents of border communities including Arivaca, Tubac, Green Valley, and Rio Rico to contend with shootings, robberies, and threatening trespassers.”
Well, I gotta tell you all, that that is new news to me!
Because I’ve been feeling safer and safer here in Rio Rico, thanks to the good work of the US Border Patrol.
April 18th, 2011 on 10:44 am
So just because the countryside is rugged does that mean give a free pass to drug smugglers?
I live in Tubac and I can assure you from first hand experience we have a lot of checkpoint by-pass traffic here.
And do you really feel safe with guys running around Rio Rico with Ak 47s shooting Border Patrol agents?
April 22nd, 2011 on 11:18 am
Give us some specifics, will you, Hugh about that “a lot of checkpoint by-pass traffic here.”
As for guys running around Rio Rico with AK47′s shooting Border
Patrol agents?
When and where did that happen?
May 12th, 2011 on 8:33 am
Walk-around/drive-around traffic. It’s like constructing a damn. The “river” will build up and spill out the sides.
December 15, 2010, BPA Brian Terry. Shot with an AK-47 in an area near Rio Rico.
April 18th, 2011 on 10:28 am
Follow the money! As Hillary Clinton responded when asked why drugs are not legalized, it is because there is “too much money” in illegal drugs! The ranchers along the border are up to their eyeballs in illegal alien traffic, and Uncle Sam turns a blind eye to the problem. Obama even calls it “Rasist” when Arizonans try to defend themselves, even when the drug cartels publicly post bounties on the sheriffs of Arizona. We are hung out to dry by the traitors in the District of Criminals. We must live free or die trying!
April 18th, 2011 on 8:40 pm
Yeah, well boo hoo.
50,000 acres? Been there for generations — blah, blah, blah.
Stop whining and realize that you are blessed to have what you have.
April 19th, 2011 on 9:15 am
In accordance to Article III Section 3
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
I ask is the Federal Government of the United States committing Treason by not stopping the flow of illegals, drugs and terrorists coming across our borders?
Or by not allowing Arizonia to protect it’s own borders and citizens?
April 21st, 2011 on 8:40 am
Rancher Chilton asserts: “Permanent checkpoints have proven to funnel illegal traffic into nearby communities forcing residents of border communities including Arivaca, Tubac, Green Valley, and Rio Rico to contend with shootings, robberies, and threatening trespassers.”
I tried to validate this assertion with the Santa Cruz County Sheriff’s Department as it applies to Rio Rico and Tubac:
To learn that there has been no increase in “shootings, robberies, and (citizens being confronted by) threatening trespassers” in either Rio Rico or in Tubac, “caused” by the expanded checkpoint on I-19. (Which I also oppose.)
In general, both communities enjoy low crime rates.
April 21st, 2011 on 9:04 am
Statistics are funny things…according to the Border Patrol stats everything is getting better….
as to the situation around the check point….there is still a lot of traffic around it….most reports are to BP not to the county. And at this point unless there is something like an attempted theft of a car…why even bother reporting….Just because there aren’t stats doesn’t mean the problem does not exist here.
out to your west….lots of incidents with victims of the rip crews….county shows up…Border Patrol shows up…victims don’t know where the incident happened….can’t identify anyone….BP deports the victims….crime rate stays low on the books.
April 22nd, 2011 on 10:55 am
Excellent point, Hugh, about the BP’s statistics, which is likely the only law enforcement agency, anywhere, that can gobble its cake while having the whole cake remain untouched.
Like: when BP’s statistics show a decline in captures, it’s because it’s doing a great job at keeping all those rascals out.
Like: when BP’s statistics show an increase in captures, it’s because it’s doing a great job capturing all those rascals.
But I must disagree, Hugh, when you claim that “most reports are to the BP,” – at least here in Rio Rico.
My impression is that most of my fellow Rio Rico residents, who are of 80% “Hispanic” origins, are far more likely to call Santa Cruz County’s Sheriff’s Department rather than the US Border Patrol to report an offense to their person or property.
That could be that so many of them have been hassled at the checkpoint on I-19. Like my legal Mexican-American neighbors’ son who is a “natural born” US citizen.
When Armando drives up to Tuscon in a late model car to attend Pima College classes, he is often waved off for a secondary inspection.
Which, I am guessing, has yet to have happened to you.
As for your “out to your west?”
I have no doubt at all about the veracity of your anecdotal “evidence.” Terrible things are happening out to the west of Rio Rico.
But what bugs me most is when the media reports “Off to the west of Rio Rico, the Border Patrol…” I always get a frantic call from my Pennsylvania sister who wants to know why I have chosen to live in such a dangerous place.
Finally, Hugh, has Tubac become a dangerous place in which to live?
April 22nd, 2011 on 2:59 pm
Reply to Joaquim:
Excellent point, Hugh, about the BP’s statistics, which is likely the only law enforcement agency, anywhere, that can gobble its cake while having the whole cake remain untouched.
Interesting read the GAO testimony posted separately about what “operational control” of the border actually means. Basically from all sorts of sources the area starting west of Nogales where the fence ends out across the Tohono O’Odham Indian Reservation is still pretty much wide open to illegal entry and drug smuggling.
April 22nd, 2011 on 11:30 am
So sorry, folks, that a post I made had no paragraph separations, which is obviously a technical fault here on this terrific blog.
I’ve learned that if you want to reply, you must hit your “return’ key twice.
April 22nd, 2011 on 11:34 am
Whoops!
I meant to write that if you want your paragraphs to appear as paragraphs, you must tap “return” twice.
Which I clearly forgot to do.
Sorry!
April 22nd, 2011 on 11:38 am
Which, of course, makes this site one of the most unique sites of all on the Internet!
Technically speaking…
April 22nd, 2011 on 1:49 pm
They aren’t feeding their hamsters enough…but I put graph breaks in for you.
April 26th, 2011 on 10:47 am
National ID card needed to work or purchase items in Stores (hell just beer purchase limitations alone would make me go home) and we are done.
Since that won’t happen (NRA crazies against it) the idea of hiring locals that know the area rather than depend on the fat boys i see in BP uniforms from the great white north might help a bit.
April 27th, 2011 on 4:30 pm
I also find it interesting that the very same week Gov. Brewer responded to the outcrys of the majority of Arizonans (over 60% of our total population, across all demographics.), from all parties and ethnicites, and signed SB 1070, the following incident took place. While a Pinal County Sheriff’s Deputy was out on routine patrol driving down one of the many back, dirt roads such as this state is known to have in rural areas, he came upon what amounted to a squadron of 17 camouflaged wearing, heavily armed, mexican drug smugglers, smuggling their product across the road, heading north into the desert. Taking him totally by surprise, he was ambushed and shot in the back. “Luckily”, only a severe wound. The only reason he came out alive at all was he didn’t lose his cool and remembered his training. He crawled behind his vehicle which continued to arbsorb a barage of bullets from the mexican’s AK-47′s. The deputy somehow managed to stay conscious and returned fire using only his service revolver. The whole time he was attempting to call for back up. Unfortunately, he was out of radio range. But, keeping his head he thought to use his cell phone and called the office and informed them of the situation. All alone he only managed to survive because he fought back. In the end the coward drug smugglers gave up the fight and ran off into the desert because the deputy proved too hard to kill. In a short while helicopters from the Sheriff’s office flew in, rescued him, and shortly thereafter arrested 17 illegal alien, camoflaged wearing, former mexican army, drug cartel members that had a just short time earlier, strolled across our southern border along-side the yard rakers and nannies. Anyone that doesn’t believe crime is up in all catagories at our southern border as well as the entire state and places beyond are delusional. An almost identical incident as this happened again recently in Pinal County involving drug smugglers. The Pinal County Sheriff has been on TV numerous times begging for more money and resources for the onslaught of mexican illegal aliens and the crimes they commit in his county for I don’t know how long now. The bottom line is if you have any kind of law enforcement official that sympathizes with illegal aliens, they ALWAYS will paint a completely different picture than the lawman who only sees a crime being committed and isn’t concerned about being politically correct or offending illegal aliens OR their lobbyist, and is more than willing to open his books and show the world the rising crime rates his department now has to deal with because of this now decade and a half old invasion. He recently said 90-something % of last years car chases his department experienced, involved illegal aliens in stolen vehicles or, who simply didn’t want to be caught after committing some crime or other. Like the crime of being illegal and the fear of being deported. Anyone who says it’s racist to ONLY allow cops to inquire about a person’s citizenship status after they have been apprehended for either committing a crime or are a suspect in one, better be prepared to call the United States a racist country as well. Because our state law is almost a carbon copy of federal law that has been on the books since WW II. I suggest the nay sayers also read last weeks article in the Tucson Weekly publication written by award winning writer Leo Banks entitled, “The Brothers Arellenes”. The article details the long history of, and the repeated arrests of the brothers for one crime or other over the course of the last decade or so. It also discusses how many times they’ve been caught and deported only to come back and commit even more crimes. If I’d been arrested for the crimes these guys have committed, and as many times as they’ve served time in Arizona prison’s, they would’ve put me UNDER the jail by now. One brother is now the main suspect in the recent unprovoked killing of a border partol agent who was part of a special unit patroling the border. He simply was willing to commit murder of an Arizona law enforcement officer before allowing himself to be deported again. Read all about it in Tucson’s most notoriously liberal weekly newspaper, The Tucson Weekly. Thank God for truthful alternative media. These episodes are on the rise and only those of us with blinders on still believe otherwise. Most people sympathetic to illegal aliens belong to that group of Americans who haven’t been directly affected by their presence here in any way, shape, or form. Most of this minority of Americans who favor illegal aliens don’t even KNOW anyone who for example have lost their 20 year carpenter job to illegals because the developer would rather hire two or three inferior skilled illegal aliens for the same salary as he has to pay one journeyman American worker. Nor have they had a family member who has lost their job. For that matter, nor do they CARE that Americans are losing their jobs in record numbers to lower skilled, lesser educated, illegals who agree to work for half the pay or lower with no benefits. Also, just for the record, as a white man I myself am required to show my documents each and every time I’m pulled over. It’s called an Arizona driver’s license. There are always going to be a small vocal minority of people who disagree with SB 1070 even though the majority of U.S. citizens polled favored our law as well and were fully behind a border state like Arizona being forced into taking desperate measures thanks to a federal government that refuses to enforce the law of the land because it conflicts with their globalist agenda. Such as U.S. president’s who plot the unification of the entire north American continent behind closed doors, circumventing our congress and voters. (Google it folks) The fact is most Americans of Irish, German, or any other Euro-centro background would still be the first in line to put millions of invaders from their own families country of origin back on a boat to where they came from. Why would we do that? Because if whomever these illegals are don’t have enough “respect” for this country’s LEGAL immigration system and are more than willing to begin their “new lives” here by trashing our border’s environment out until it qualifies for the Super Fund cleanup list, they don’t deserve one split second’s worth of ”special consideration” by this country’s law enforcment agencies. Exactly what do we tell American minority workers of any color who themselves dropped out of high school and now work menial jobs to support their families and America turns around and embraces 12-20 million illegal aliens with a million more following them in every year, who steal their jobs? ”Sorry ’bout that, but you’re family will just have to go homeless and go on state assistance because we, as your fellow Americans, just don’t give a rat’s behind about your status”? Well I’m not built that way and thank God the majority of this country isn’t either. And, just as our weak, spineless, subservient, pandering, politicians are finding out as they are being voted out of office in record numbers and being replaced by Americans “for” America, American citizens want OUR country’s citizens put “first”, and we want illegal aliens treated like the criminals they are.
May 7th, 2011 on 10:04 am
Good on you, Pantanobob…. you and William and the others like you here have it right. The rest of these people must not realize that what’s happening here in Arizona is on the way to them. Well, it’s actually there, if they care to look around. The Cartels are enlisting our gangs into their numbers. Guys, this country is in real trouble. We are under invasion by terrorists, and our Federal Govt. is doing nothing to stop it. Why?
As you said, Bob, most of us know this and won’t stand for it. Thank God for that. I can see those mountains the bad guys hole up in from my back door, and from work. And I gotta tell ya, it spooks the bejabbers outta me. Also, go online and look at some of the videos put out there by volunteer border watchers. Then let Napolitano tell you the border is safer than ever. What a joke.
May 22nd, 2011 on 10:59 am
Hey Justme, whadya think of Obama’s recent speech in El Paso? You notice he was completely surrounded by illegal aliens and their American sponsors? You think he’d actually come here to Arizona, aka, “ground zero”, and dare to give such a B.S. account of what’s happening at the border? Better yet, you think he’d actually take a heleicopter and check ot the cartel surveilance posts for himself or catch a glimpse of our trashed out and stomped down border? Or, do you think he’d even take the time to talk to real Americans (not illegals going to college on the tax payers dime) and get their take on the situation? Heck no he wouldn’t! He’s too much of a coward for that. Then of course he’d have to explain why he continues to sue Arizona for doing his job and why he keeps ordering Homeland security (what an oximoron! I wonder how many dirty bombs have been smuggled into this country in the last 10 years?) , to ”stand down” and then sue Arizona for wanting to build it’s own fence? Of course it’s going to require pulling out some of the troops he’s got fighting 3 wars ( ntm -working on starting the 4th & 5th) to repell the mexican army that continuously and freely lead raids into our country all the way to Phoenix through Pinal County for the purpose of delivering the cartel’s drug & human shipments. They said seveal times last year alone former heavily armed former mexican army troops confronted and held (at superior firepower gunpoint), our own out manned and under armed border patrol troops while the cartel shipments over the hill made their safe arrival . Then when the guardians of the shipment got the “all-clear” on the radio, they’d back up back into mexico.You think that if we have the technology to secure Area 51 as tight as we do we can use some of that tech to secure our own border? Again, of course we can. Mexcio is our 2nd leading trading partner and Obama is afraid of them almost as much as he’s afraid of china. Afterall if china decided to call in it’s debt, they’d end up owning every historical monument and national park in America. I love this quote but don’t know the author:”We have become a nation of sheep content to watch the horror of our own demise from the sidelines.” Pretty much sums it up!