Politically correct fire stories…who is burning down our wildlands?
by Hugh Holub on Jun. 03, 2011, under border issues, politics
Murphy Fire west of Tubac...photo by Hugh Holub
The other night at a town briefing on the Murphy fire west of Tubac, the first question asked by the audience was “who started the fire?”
The answer was perfect government evasion…human caused and under investigation.
The audience laughed.
It is pretty much a given this time of year that any fire that starts around the borderlands is human caused. There is no lightning.
And since the fires seem to almost always start on known human and drug smuggling trails…it is not like hunters or hikers started the fires. This is not hunting season and it is too hot for American hikers.
The folks over in the Chiricahuas where the Horseshoe 2 fire is raging are convinced drug smugglers started that fire.
And the 6 or so fires we’ve had around Nogales are probably 99% certain to have been caused by illegal aliens or drug smugglers.
So why doesn’t the Forest Service admit that illegal aliens and drug smugglers are busy burning down the National Forest lands?
Is it because President Obama’s claims everything is just wonderful on the border would look false if drug smugglers were starting fires so their drug mules could sneak thousands of pounds of marijuana into the country?
Is it because Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano would look bad if the truth were that illegal aliens that got across the border where there is no border security were burning the country down as they passed through?
UPDATE: Got this via email June 4, 2011:
Dear Friends
This photograph was taken today, June 3, 2011. Inside the center of smoke plume is the Atascosa Ranch, residence of David and Edith Lowell, in Rio Rico, Arizona. Ten miles north of the Mexican Border.
The Forest Service determined to allow this fire to jump Peck Canyon South and go up the North face of the Atascosa Mountains rather than attempt to control the fire, they are simply watching the fire now for four days rather than trying to fight it or control it.
The North Lowell allotment grazing pastures went up in smoke the last three days and the Forest Service is going to allow the second allotment to go up today. The Lowell’s will have to sell their cattle because there is no grass for them to graze on.
The drums along the border say that Border Patrol jumped a group of 12 marijuana backpackers who intentionally set the mountains on fire to effect their escape. Allegedly, between two and three of the illegal alien marijuana backpackers were apprehended and admitted setting the fire. Also, one of these arsonists is reported to be on life support at a local American hospital.
The beating drums also say that the Forest Service will not admit that the fire was caused by illegal aliens, only that it is human caused.
The border is not secure, America is in jeopardy as are all residents along the Arizona Border. Do not believe otherwise.
Zack Taylor, NAFBPO.org
Here is an interesting commentary from The Westerner blog:
This was sent along from an associate in response to the story I posted earlier today.
Dear Friends:
Wild Fires caused by illegal aliens along the U.S. Border with Mexico are a common historical event and WERE reported as such by the U.S. Forest Service. The truth today is that these Wildfires WERE a common historical event until the current administration arrived in Washington, DC.
Public Lands located along the Arizona Border constitute major corridors used by illegal aliens to enter the United States in violation of law. A large percentage of these lands in Santa Cruz County & Cochise County Arizona are National Forest Lands.
Example scenario:
Border Patrol Agents tracking a group of illegal aliens from where they illegally crossed into the United States to where they started a wildfire in the Coronado National Forest, Santa Cruz County Arizona, are accompanied by U.S. Forest Service Wild Lands Firefighters. While tracking these illegal aliens, from their point of illegal entry into the United States, the Border Patrol Agents and U.S. Forest Service Wild Lands Firefighters overtake the group of illegal aliens who readily admit that they started the wildfire in question. When asked by news reporters on the scene the U.S. Forest Service is prohibited from stating that the wildfire was started by illegal aliens, even though there is absolutely no doubt that the wildfire was in fact started by illegal aliens and both the U.S. Border Patrol and the U.S. Forest Service not only know that the wildfire was started by illegal aliens they also know who the illegal aliens are that started the wildfire and that those illegal aliens are in United States custody.
The process goes something like this. The U.S. Forest Service Wildland Firefighters notify the district ranger for the Sierra Vista Ranger District in Sierra Vista, Arizona, of their findings. The upward chain of command from there is Jim Upchurch the Coronado Forest Supervisor in Tucson to Corbin Newman the Regional Forester in Albuquerque. None of this chain of command is allowed to reveal the facts of who started the fire. However, Heidi Schewell in the Public Affairs Office at Forest Service Headquarters in Washington, DC, contacts the State Department and determines what, if anything, the Forest Service may say publicly about how the Willdfire was started and by whom. The Department of State decides what the Forest Service is allowed to say about the incident regardless of what the facts are. Whatever Heidi Schewell reports about the Wildfire is controlled by the Department of State, not the U.S. Forest Service and not the facts.
Referencing the Arlene Fire in the story below we can then deduce that there is nearly a 100% chance that the fire was human caused and because of the proximity to the border it has a better than an 80% chance of having been started by illegal aliens.
June 3rd, 2011 on 3:36 pm
My theory is that the nativist racists in America started the fire, taking a history lesson from the Reichstag arson.
June 3rd, 2011 on 7:55 pm
The LULZ….thats what I’m here for.
Thanks for the gut busting laugh 8^)
June 12th, 2011 on 5:50 am
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June 3rd, 2011 on 11:44 pm
Leftfield you have to be kidding? Thats a reach even for you.
June 4th, 2011 on 8:14 am
Well, certain fires may have been started by actual entrepeneurs heading north, bringing their goods to the free market. Either way, it’s obvious this is a capitalist plot. With free market capitalists on both sides of the drug war, it’s going to get ugly.
Now that the closed border group has decided to set the forests on fire in order to fan the flames of nativist resentment and the free market entrepeneurs of the cartels have seen this, more fires will undoubtedly be set by the distribution network of big pharma to the south. This conspiracy, of course, includes the BP and the DEA. Indeed, it goes all the way up to the White House. I’m not even sure that fraser isn’t in on it. After all, it could well be that his fervent anti-drug message is just a brilliant cover story.
June 4th, 2011 on 9:55 am
Gotta a match?…lol
You sound like an NKVD agent parachuted into southern Finland to “arouse” the finnish public against their government. Falling on deaf ears Leftfield??
June 14th, 2011 on 12:33 pm
Actual entrepeneurs heading north? They’re illegal aliens buddy. Drug dealers have been around forever. Hardly a new concept or venture. Do you really believe these smugglers to lead these task or are the real leaders cartel members sitting on their ass in mexico. These are just some hired goons. I dont know if this some attempt to (and fail) glorify the title or if you thought it just sounded coop and didnt care that you used the definition wrong
June 4th, 2011 on 8:20 am
What I’m really most curious about and intrigued by is the various postings by the NAFBPO. Are they representative of most current and former BPO’s or do they represent a fringe group of former BPO with a semi-fascist POV? Knowing how cop culture in the regular police tends to bend minds, I wonder if otherwise reasonable people, after being in the BP for a while, come to the same us vs. them mentality as street cops? Is there a border My Lai coming?
June 4th, 2011 on 9:56 am
Ask Bob Krentz if there is a Border My Lai coming?
June 4th, 2011 on 8:45 pm
His story is more like a “Border Black Dahlia”. In order to be a Border My Lai, he would have to be killed by government-sanctioned organized violent action.
June 4th, 2011 on 1:52 pm
The fires are being started by those stupid, stinking illegal Mexicans, cooking up their lizards.
June 4th, 2011 on 2:52 pm
You see, this proves that nativists and neo-nazis started the fires. Already they have started using the fires to fan the flames (pardon the pun) of indignation towards migrants.
June 15th, 2011 on 6:08 pm
When you say: ” Nativist Racist’s” I take it you mean “white people” and when you call them “Neo/Nazi” you are speaking about white people are you not?
Interesting you bring up the false flag these same people you claim will use it to blame “migrant’s” as if they are immune to allegation.
It’s obvious your mind is set on tunnel vision too, especially like the way you proved your point to. What do they call that tactic of proof again?? Oh yeah, It’s true because “you say so”.
Then citizentoo says:
“The fires are being started by those stupid, stinking illegal Mexicans, cooking up their lizards.”
What do you respond with? HA HA HA THIS!!
“You see, this proves that nativists and neo-nazis started the fires.” – leftfield
“How does that prove it Hoss?
Oh and by the way shit for brains,, you might want to tone down the racism in your own arguments before go making shit up about other people you refuse to see as anything other than racist’s .
Migrants he calls them HA HA They are ILLEGAL ALIENS and should be SHOT ON SITE! .
How ya like me now Racist
June 4th, 2011 on 1:54 pm
Leftfield is truly aptly named. As in way, way out there in leftfield. He is a persistent troll, I will give him that much.
June 4th, 2011 on 2:50 pm
Tucsondon is in on it too. It’s a big conspiracy.
June 4th, 2011 on 10:11 pm
A troll???? lol
June 6th, 2011 on 7:22 am
With much of the smoke settling on Green Valley, rumor has it that its very active Tea Party will be out swaddled in their Armani suits and Jovani dresses demonstrating for more Federal fire fighters as part of their platform calling for smaller government.
June 8th, 2011 on 11:07 am
Sarah Palin paid for the fire to be set.
Because she loves that smell.
June 11th, 2011 on 4:26 pm
Actually, I SAW little green aliens come down in a space ship and cook up a chupacabra. That’s what started the fires! Forget the illegals and drug cartels, that’s to pratical an answer that only the intelligent -wiser people come to.
June 14th, 2011 on 7:52 am
Its hard to detect who did it.
But, there IS a war on the southern border.
You all know this.
Bush is the one that allowed this madness.
June 14th, 2011 on 9:29 am
I was at a resort ranch for 10 days just a couple of miles west of Tucson 3 years ago and decided to take a walk through the desert on most mornings. Everyday as I walked I found abandoned coats, jackets, blankets, trash and used crack pipes and drug paraphernalia strewn throw the flora and fauna.
When I ask the owners “what the hell all that was ” they told me it was the illegals who cross over every night smuggling drugs. It looked worse than the garbage found in the back alleys of inner city homeless areas
June 14th, 2011 on 11:05 am
Isn’t it fun living here in Southern Arizona? Be sure to tell our friends back east.
June 14th, 2011 on 11:36 am
Well, the fire has been out for several days behind my house in the Tumacacori’s, but our friends from the south are still out there. Two days ago, as I was barbequing some meat on the backyard gill in the early evening, I noticed smoke rolling from one small area in the foothills. It lasted for about 10 minutes and then disappeared. Obviously the original fire didn’t run them all out of the area.
June 14th, 2011 on 12:43 pm
So when will we learn and END THE WAR ON DRUGS?!?!?!?
If 40 years and $1T isn’t failure enough, what will be? More Poverty? More people unable to work because of prison records? More crime being committed by people put through crime university? (That’s what “correctional” facilities should be renamed, and then we might try to do something to CORRECT people)
June 14th, 2011 on 12:50 pm
Leftfield: You are crazy, Bro! LOL. Nativists and neo-Nazi’s started the flames? LMAO!! If that were the case, then why weren’t they started in the illegal immigrant ghettos of Arizona? Sorta’ like an Arizonian Katrina… You know, like when BUSH himself blew up the levees? LMAO!
June 14th, 2011 on 12:50 pm
Leftfield: You are crazy, Bro! LOL. Nativists and neo-Nazi’s started the flames? LMAO!! If that were the case, then why weren’t they started in the illegal immigrant ghettos of Arizona? Sorta’ like an Arizonian Katrina… You know, like when BUSH himself blew up the levees? LMAO!a
July 7th, 2011 on 10:55 am
Wanna see my mexican COCCCKKKK!?
July 7th, 2011 on 1:18 pm
Now there is an intelligent statement!….No we don’t want to see your shortcomings.