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	<title>Comments on: Crime Victims and Witnesses Are Collateral Damage of “Secure Communities”</title>
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		<title>By: leftfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2011 20:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Feel free to jump into the conversation, refuse to answer questions, and then accuse me of being dishonest.  You made a statement: &quot;“La Raza” very much does refer to a specific ethnic heritage&quot;.  I asked you what this means to you and your response is: &quot;First you tell me&quot;.  

Sigh.  For me, when I hear this phrase I hear it as a statement of ethnic pride; pride and refusal to submit to despair in the face of racists and a racist system that everyday seeks to demean the value and the humanity of minority peoples.  It strikes me in the same way as the message of Black Pride did and does.  It speaks to the beauty and the strength of an oppressed people teaching their children pride in their culture and in themselves; a pride that stands in direct opposition to the message of shame they would get from the dominant culture (as evidenced here on these pages and elsewhere).  

It is another version of the words of Malcolm X:  

&quot;We declare our right on this earth...to be a human being, to be respected as a human being, to be given the rights of a human being in this society, on this earth, in this day, which we intend to bring into existence &lt;em&gt;by any means necessary&lt;/em&gt;.&quot;


Each individual may likely think and feel different things when they hear this phrase.  This is what I hear. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feel free to jump into the conversation, refuse to answer questions, and then accuse me of being dishonest.  You made a statement: &#8220;“La Raza” very much does refer to a specific ethnic heritage&#8221;.  I asked you what this means to you and your response is: &#8220;First you tell me&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Sigh.  For me, when I hear this phrase I hear it as a statement of ethnic pride; pride and refusal to submit to despair in the face of racists and a racist system that everyday seeks to demean the value and the humanity of minority peoples.  It strikes me in the same way as the message of Black Pride did and does.  It speaks to the beauty and the strength of an oppressed people teaching their children pride in their culture and in themselves; a pride that stands in direct opposition to the message of shame they would get from the dominant culture (as evidenced here on these pages and elsewhere).  </p>
<p>It is another version of the words of Malcolm X:  </p>
<p>&#8220;We declare our right on this earth&#8230;to be a human being, to be respected as a human being, to be given the rights of a human being in this society, on this earth, in this day, which we intend to bring into existence <em>by any means necessary</em>.&#8221;</p>
<p>Each individual may likely think and feel different things when they hear this phrase.  This is what I hear. </p>
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		<title>By: iheartlegalimmigrants</title>
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		<dc:creator>iheartlegalimmigrants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2011 17:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is not fear, my friend. It is the peculiar similarity in which the quote fits both groups, that I find interesting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not fear, my friend. It is the peculiar similarity in which the quote fits both groups, that I find interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: leftfield</title>
		<link>http://tucsoncitizen.com/view-from-baja-arizona/2011/08/27/crime-victims-and-witnesses-are-collateral-damage-of-%e2%80%9csecure-communities%e2%80%9d/#comment-18105</link>
		<dc:creator>leftfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2011 13:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a good example.  When fraser uses &quot;La Raza&quot;, he is talking about the &quot;illegal mexican peon criminals&quot; that he fears are coming to invade his world.  When I use the term, it means something else entirely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a good example.  When fraser uses &#8220;La Raza&#8221;, he is talking about the &#8220;illegal mexican peon criminals&#8221; that he fears are coming to invade his world.  When I use the term, it means something else entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: leftfield</title>
		<link>http://tucsoncitizen.com/view-from-baja-arizona/2011/08/27/crime-victims-and-witnesses-are-collateral-damage-of-%e2%80%9csecure-communities%e2%80%9d/#comment-18104</link>
		<dc:creator>leftfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2011 13:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[P.S. I would hold that &quot;La Raza&quot; means something different entirely when used by Nativists than it does when used by, for example, an MAS student.  Therein lies the perversion.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. I would hold that &#8220;La Raza&#8221; means something different entirely when used by Nativists than it does when used by, for example, an MAS student.  Therein lies the perversion.  </p>
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		<title>By: leftfield</title>
		<link>http://tucsoncitizen.com/view-from-baja-arizona/2011/08/27/crime-victims-and-witnesses-are-collateral-damage-of-%e2%80%9csecure-communities%e2%80%9d/#comment-18103</link>
		<dc:creator>leftfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2011 13:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...but “La Raza” very much does refer to a specific ethnic heritage.&quot;

Let&#039;s go the next step and have you explain what you believe the implications of that statement are, because that, and not the translation of the phrase, is what Mr. Immigrants&#039; fear is all about. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;but “La Raza” very much does refer to a specific ethnic heritage.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s go the next step and have you explain what you believe the implications of that statement are, because that, and not the translation of the phrase, is what Mr. Immigrants&#8217; fear is all about. </p>
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		<title>By: Fraser007</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fraser007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2011 06:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[La Raza=Das Volk]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>La Raza=Das Volk</p>
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		<title>By: leftfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2011 04:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Fyi, leftfield, La Raza means The Race. Appropriate for the quote, no?&quot;

I&#039;m afraid your translation is just a perversion of the term cooked up for propaganda purposes by your fellow Nazis.  Just like &quot;family values&quot; is a perversion that actually means racial and religious prejudice R&#039; us. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fyi, leftfield, La Raza means The Race. Appropriate for the quote, no?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid your translation is just a perversion of the term cooked up for propaganda purposes by your fellow Nazis.  Just like &#8220;family values&#8221; is a perversion that actually means racial and religious prejudice R&#8217; us. </p>
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		<title>By: iheartlegalimmigrants</title>
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		<dc:creator>iheartlegalimmigrants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2011 23:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fyi, leftfield, La Raza means The Race. Appropriate for the quote, no?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fyi, leftfield, La Raza means The Race. Appropriate for the quote, no?</p>
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		<title>By: iheartlegalimmigrants</title>
		<link>http://tucsoncitizen.com/view-from-baja-arizona/2011/08/27/crime-victims-and-witnesses-are-collateral-damage-of-%e2%80%9csecure-communities%e2%80%9d/#comment-18059</link>
		<dc:creator>iheartlegalimmigrants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2011 23:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of  our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity  of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that  our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by  the creator of the universe.
-La Raza]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of  our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity  of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that  our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by  the creator of the universe.<br />
-La Raza</p>
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		<title>By: leftfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2011 23:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe.<br />
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)</p>
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