Comments on: Claim: global warming causes Arctic ice to melt and Antarctic ice to increase

By: Jonathan_Duhamel

Jonathan_Duhamel — Wed, 17 Oct 2012 13:56:00 +0000

That simply means the models are wrong.

By: Rob Dekker

Rob Dekker — Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:02:00 +0000

Jonathan, you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.
The FACTS show that the scenarios painted by the climate models are happening much FASTER than anticipated.
In fact, Arctic sea ice decline is now 50 years ahead of the trend anticipated by IPCC 2007 climate models :
http://neven1.typepad.com/.a/6a0133f03a1e37970b017744cf5360970d-pi
And, NO, decline in Arctic sea ice CANNOT be explained by “natural variability” alone. In FACT, scientific reports (such as by Day et al 2012) indicate that multi-decadal natural variability can only explain between 5-30% of the observed downtrend trend over the past 3 decades.
http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/7/3/034011
Since you call the climate model projections “doomsday scenarios”, I wonder which wording you would choose for actual OBSERVED sea ice decline…
You see, FACTS are stubbern things…regardless of your biased opinions, Jonathan.

By: Jonathan_Duhamel

Jonathan_Duhamel — Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:08:00 +0000

The facts show that the doomsday scenarios painted by the climate models and promoted by certain politicians are not happening. The facts explain that the sea ice variation can be explained by natural variation, no need to invoke “global warming.” And if you blame low cyclic Arctic sea ice extents on global warming, why isn’t global warming global? If the “greenhouse” doesn’t work everywhere, there must be another explanation.

By: Jonathan_Duhamel

Jonathan_Duhamel — Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:03:00 +0000

I can tell that Peter is not a scientist since he demonstrates ignorance of physical phenomena. Arctic habitat “torched”? By the way Peter, palm trees have grown in Ireland and southern England for hundreds of years. That too is far out of the tropics.

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclination, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” –John Adams (1770)

By: Peter Mizla

Peter Mizla — Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:50:00 +0000

That
Tucson will be partially deserted in 30 years time from the heat and
lack of water makes no difference to the writer of this biased story.
That I am now able to grow Giant Sequoia and Windmill palms in my
Connecticut garden is also of no significance right? The climate is
changing far more rapidly then most Americans know. The arctic sea ice
and that entire habitat has been torched- how it changes our weather in
lower latitudes is just beginning to be understood. One thing is for
certain- the arctic sea ice for millions of years has been the ‘air
conditioner’ of the planet- once it is gone the whole physical dynamics
of the what we have known since the ice formed in the Miocene is
changed.

By: Rob Dekker

Rob Dekker — Tue, 16 Oct 2012 03:15:00 +0000

Russel,
The Oregon petition is most certainly NOT a “science-based assessment”.
It asserts that human release of carbon dioxide will, “in the forseeable future” not “cause catastrophic heating of the Earth”. Since it fails to define which timeframe is “foreseeable” is and what is considered “catastrophic”, it leaves interpretation of the statement entirely up to the OPINION of the reader.
Which makes the oregon petition a clear case of biased political mis-information without ANY scientific merit at all.
In fact, you are doing scientific “skeptics” a great dis-service by continuing to push this political opinion piece 14 years after its conception.

By: Rob Dekker

Rob Dekker — Tue, 16 Oct 2012 01:37:00 +0000

So, what is an unbiased journalist to do when Arctic sea ice extent record get obliterated ?
You divert attention away by pointing at Antarctic sea extent maximum.
You start by forgetting to mention that the Antarctic “record” is actually only a tiny increase (0.5 % since 2006) whereas Arctic sea ice minimum reduced a whopping 20 % since 2007′s already devastating low, to end up at HALF the size that it was just a few decades ago.
If then another journalist points out that scientists long predicted that Antarctica would respond slower to GHG warming, and that even for that tiny increase in Antarctic sea ice has explanations that have long ago been explored and presented in peer-review scientific literature, you start blaming them for “global warming bias” and “bad reporting on climate change”.
And to top it off, you point at a study suggesting underestimation of Antarctic sea ice, while not even mentioning that Arctic sea ice losses are unraveling 50 years ahead of schedule, and are now 4 sigma’s below the IPCC model projections.
The question is not IF you are presenting a biased opinion on global warming and climate change, but the question is WHY you are presenting such a biased story, Jonathan ?

By: Russell Cook

Russell Cook — Tue, 16 Oct 2012 00:42:00 +0000

And your estimation of the number of people unqualified to offer an intelligent science-based skeptic assessment at the petition is what, compared to what amount who are qualified?

Are you aware that your line of logic might also make the IPCC itself a very unconvincing entity? When Al Gore’s current spokesperson Kalee Kreider is seen at a list of “Authors, Contributors, and Expert Reviewers” at an IPCC report? http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/sres/regional/index.php?idp=329

The woman has a B.A. in history and Russian and is a public relations expert. Are you sure you want to pursue a defense of man-caused global warming using an anti-Petition Project stance?

By: Jimmy Dominic

Jimmy Dominic — Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:20:00 +0000

the petition project’s qualifications are very unconvincing. One could sign it with a BA in Forestry for example…

By: Jonathan_Duhamel

Jonathan_Duhamel — Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:51:00 +0000

I see you favor science fiction and you, too, don’t know the meaning of the word “unprecedented.” The only thing “stunning” about your story link is in its hype and mis-information. Here’s the real story: http://tucsoncitizen.com/wryheat/2012/07/26/greenland-melting-and-media-hype/