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So long MLB, don’t let the door hit you in the @$$ on your way out of Tucson

by on Mar. 12, 2010, under Editorials, Sports

Goodbye Major League Baseball. In a week or so the Colorado Rockies and Arizona Diamondbacks will begin wrapping up their spring training stints here, bringing to an end  a 63-year tradition of big league baseball in Tucson as the two teams will train in Phoenix next year.

We’re sad to see you go but we understand, money talks and (what comes out of the south end of a northbound bull) walks.

Don’t expect any tears. We’re sad about the end of tradition and the loss of revenue, but not about the maltreatment the past few years as you tried to extort from us glitzy new stadiums that your billionaire owners didn’t want to pay for themselves.

In fact, you may have done us a huge favor. Now, rather than argue about whether to tax ourselves so that we can fight stadium wars with Phoenix, we’ve been given a couple of huge blank slates, fields actually, upon which we can create new traditions and revenues.

The county Board of Supervisors resurrected the Pima County Sports and Tourism Authority in 2008 in a last-ditch effort to save spring training. But now that the effort has failed, the authority has the opportunity to market the huge Kino Sports Complex and the smaller Hi Corbett Field to youth leagues.

Youth sports tournaments are a billion-dollar industry. Just one week-long tournament already here, the Fort Lowell Soccer Shootout, generates about $3 million every January for the local economy. That’s about 10 percent of the $30 million MLB spring training generated in two months each year.

That tournament is named after the park where it started but it quickly outgrew Fort Lowell Park and is now held all over town, causing headaches for teams and parents as they shuttle across the city looking for their assigned fields each day.

Kino and Corbett could host the whole thing and be a marketing boon to an already huge tournament.

Just a handful of soccer, baseball, softball and football youth tournaments each year could equal or surpass the economic impact of spring training.

One of the handicaps of having spring training was the restriction the leagues put on using “their” fields during the 10 months they weren’t in town. The billionaire owners didn’t want their millionaire athletes tearing an Achilles tendon on a heavily used field. That’s over. We can use OUR fields as we see fit.

Of course, the city and the county will need to cooperate in this effort since the city owns Hi Corbett and the county Kino. Each facility will need some updating and improvements to turn them into multiuse facilities.

And the Sports Authority needs to drop the silly deal it’s negotiating with Japanese pro baseball in a last gasp effort to keep some tenuous grip on MLB spring training in Tucson.

And voters will need to give the authority a couple of bucks through a tax district that the Legislature will need to create, so that the money is there to develop the facilities and market them.

But those obstacles are easily overcome assuming our regional leaders are wise enough to recognize the opportunity they’ve been given.

The MLB’s departure may turn out to be the best thing pro baseball has ever done for Tucson.

So long fellas, it was fun while it lasted. Don’t let the door hit you in the (south end of a northbound baseball player) on the way out of Tucson.

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A Question for Believers

  • Janet Olivas

    Are you crazy, they certainly did not do us any favors by leaving, we are left with our tax dollars sunk in a field on Ajo that should never have been built there. Don’t get me wrong, I lived not two miles from that field for 13 years and my husband was raised there. I am talking about the neighborhood near Ajo and 12the Ave. I can remember having a friend from Iran take me home from work one day about 15 years ago at noon and him saying, “My God, you live in Beirut!” That was at noon, and several years ago. The neighborhoods on the southside are far worse now, bad enough that when we moved we chose Marana. There were far more suitable areas available to build that field on, but no, our elected officials chose a piece of property in one of the worst and roughest in the area and right across from the juvie courts and detention center. WOW!! Is it any wonder that attendance was never what was anticipated. People were scared to go, and who can blame them. Since you find this such a fortunate turn of events what, exactly, do you foresee being successful there? I can hardly wait. You may be a gifted jounalist but when it comes to this particular subject you sound like an idiot. Sorry, I don’t mean any disrespect, just telling it like I see it.

  • Tracy Ringolsby

    As someone who has thorougly enjoyed spending each spring since 1993 in Tucson, and who finds Tucson much more attractive than the city to the north, I must point out your obvious lack of understanding as to what transpired with the baseball teams in Tucson. If you want to look back into the political pressures that developed during the misguided decision to build TEP in the worst possible location you might start to have a better feel for what went on instead of some emotional tantrum. The amazing thing to me, though, is the folks in the Tucson area actually rewarded the man who held out his own self interest as a county commissioner to open the door for the departure of spring training in Tucson by electing him to Congress.

  • oldwest2

    Personally i am thrilled to see them leave, they obviously had no remorse or care a bit about Tucson and by attendance figures neither did the local fans or visiting tourists, at least  not enough to fill the parks game in and game out every day. So let it be a great divorce,  everyone wins they are happy,  for a while anyways in there new digs and Tucson is rid of the bunch of pampered over paid ball players and filthy rich owners. I am sure the money can be better spent else where in town, such as pot holes in the roads etc.etc.
    Mark I think you might be on to something that might just work for the fields, some good local uses, nice article.

  • Andy Morales
    • oldwest2

      Andy: Thanks for the link, that looks like a great local tournament, i might try to get out and catch a few games. Nice use of the local parks, i am sure the kids will enjoy playing on the fields.

  • vegasallen

    Will you write a “good riddance” piece if the gem show leaves too? Fact is Tucson is getting left in the dust(and it’s potholes) when compared to other western cities.  Local leadership has been horrible for decades.

    • Mark B. Evans

      The gem show is not going anywhere. See this column from last month.
       
      As for local leadership, the state killed spring training in Tucson, not local leaders. When the Legislature let Maricopa County get away with using the sports taxing district that was created to fund the Glendale NFL and NHL arenas to also fund spring training facilities it armed Maricopa County municipalities, which already were spending tens of millions on spring training on their own,  with an extra $100 million for baseball. To paraphrase Sean Connery in “The Untouchables” Tucson was taking a knife to a gun fight in terms of competing with Phoenix for MLB teams.
       
      Local leaders chose not to fight. I think that was a wise choice. Nobody forced the White Sox, Diamondbacks and Rockies to leave. They’re chasing the money that Phoenix is throwing at them. They could stay if they wanted to. They choose not to, even after all Pima County has done for them. So F ‘em. Good riddance.

  • fortbuckley

    What is so bad about Japanese teams training here during spring training?  Why will the Sports Authority have to drop that “silly” idea, in order to achieve your vision of more youth sports tournaments in Tucson? 

    Will the Japanese teams have as much control over baseball facilities as the Rockies and Diamondbacks did?  I can’t imagine they would. 

    Is the Sports Authority offering some kind of sweetheart deal to the Japanese that would prevent youth sports tournaments from expanding in Tucson?

    • Mark B. Evans

      Because it locks down the facilities the way they are now. Two to four Japanese teams coming here for a month to play a dozen or so games with MLB teams from Phoenix will require keeping the facilities as they are (or at least TEP, but that’s key because it’s so huge – 170 acres). If the city/county are to get maximum use out of the two locations for youth league marketing they need to convert several fields into multi-use and change some of the baseball fields to softball fields. The training fields are gigantic – built for big men who hit 400-foot taters. We could get three or four youth fields out of two of the MLB fields. But we can’t make those changes if we allow millionaire athletes to grace us with their presence for four weeks a year.
       
      And it’s silly because it’s spring training light – it’s just a way to get a few MLB teams to throw us a bone now that they’ve abandoned us.
      It’s a dog and pony show, not spring training.
       
      They quit on us. So let’s stop pining away for the good ol’ days and put a strategic plan together that provides year-round local recreation and maximizes revenue from these two stadiums and adjacent training fields.

      • fortbuckley

        OK, if I’m understanding you correctly, you’re saying that Japanese team spring training will “lock down our facilities the way they are now?”  Is that really a pre-condition for the Japanese teams?

        And it’s silly because it’s spring training light – it’s just a way to get a few MLB teams to throw us a bone now that they’ve abandoned us.
        It’s a dog and pony show, not spring training.

        I would think that, if Japanese teams played in Tucson, we’d draw some tourists from the Japanese-American population on the West Coast.  Aren’t LA and San Diego short flights via Southwest from here? 

        Personally, I’d go watch Japanese teams play.   And, if a few MLB teams come visit to “throw us a bone” and play the Japanese—well, all the better.  As long as those visiting MLB teams don’t dictate how the Tucson fields are maintained, what’s the harm in that?

        So let’s stop pining away for the good ol’ days and put a strategic plan together that provides year-round local recreation and maximizes revenue from these two stadiums and adjacent training fields.

        If having the Japanese teams here derails that kind of a “strategic plan,” then I’m with you.  Does it?  Is the Pima Sports and Tourism Authority working on a Japanese spring training deal that prevents Tucson from using the TEP/Hi Corbett facilities as Tucson sees fit?

  • http://pointmantucson.yuku.com/ mike_brewer

    I say it is time to turn Tucson Electric Park over to professional soccer and turn Tucson into a vanguard city that has the vision to host money making international friendly games…..like they do in Phoenix. Glendale Stadium has been filled to capacity with soccer matches.  TEP would cash flow within 6 months.
    Will the Japanese teams be paying back the 6.5 million dollars that was borrowed from the general fund to simply keep the lights on? Yes, the “General Fund,” meaning the general tax payer.  Sort of like sports socialism. And all in the name of the great American past time.
    We might then be reminded of a phrase from Yogi Bera, “cash in kinda like money.”
     
    One huge irony, is that soccer is closer to the free enterprise system than all other sports combined. No subsidies, no taxing authorities, and assumption of all of the risk.  That is called Capitalism old fashion style.
     
    Summarily, I would also return the stadium name to Veterans Memorial Stadium, the one the voters thought they were approving with the passing of the bonds to build the place.  Only then can the bad karma be reversed.

    • leftfield

      Sort of like sports socialism

      Privatizing the profits and socializing the losses is a feature of American capitalism, not socialism. 

      • http://pointmantucson.yuku.com/ mike_brewer

        Shhhh….don’t tell the Grand Ole Party that… they still think they are pure capitalists.
         
        If only Adam Smith could attend this weekend’s Book Fair and tell everyone what he really meant by the “Wealth of Nations.” But then someone would probably hire a lobbyist to change his mind.
         
        Baseball went to the plate in Tucson, and struck out. It is only by unadulterated arrogance and a weird caste system that they believe they have a chattel mortgage on these most public of all parks.  The taxpayers should seize the park and create their own forum for future use.
        Funny, you don’t see the Tea Party maniacs griping about this brand of Government controlled sports socialism do you?  We should tell them the Park cannot show it birth certificate! And its real name is Veterans Memorial Stadium

        • fortbuckley

          Funny, you don’t see the Tea Party maniacs griping about this brand of Government controlled sports socialism do you? 

          Methinks the Tea Party has figured out how to push your buttons, Mike.

  • chili palmer

    Forget state and local, Tucson lost out to the White House. $30 million in US taxpayer dollars via Obama’s porkulus bill went to building new stadiums for the Rockies and Diamondbacks. Bud Selig and MLB owners are way ahead of you. 9/17/09 report in az.com by Glen Creno, “Stimulus Money will help build E. Valley Baseball Complex.”

  • Ed

    Mark,
    It’s the type of thinking you show in this article that demonstrates why you are no longer writing for a real newspaper.
    It’s not the fault of state government, it’s the fault of local leadership who ignored warnings from the teams that an additional club was needed to make spring training work here. Local officials did nothing, the White Sox left and spring training followed.
    Isn’t it surprising that a backwater like Tucson refuses to compete with areas of the country with far healthier economies and more proactive leadership? Perahps that is the reason it is such a low wage, low skill city. Who would ever live here by choice?
    I’m happy spring training is leaving Tucson, but for a reason different than yours. For me, this was the last straw. I like sports, none remain in this cow town. The Gila Monsters, the LPGA, the PGA, the Copper Bowl, the Sidewinders, USA baseball…need I go on?
    Anyway, I’m getting out of here. I’ll come back to visit next year, not Tucson but Scottsdale to see some baseball. It will be nice to go to a stadium (as I did today in Phoenix) where I can sit in the shade and not get skin cancer trying to watch a baseball as I’m forced to do in that antiquidated relic known as Hi Corbett Field. I’ll spend my money in Scottsdale, stay in Scottsdale hotels, be happy I’m driving on Scottsdale’s pothole free roads, be happy I’m out of this small minded small town.
    This one newspaper town.
    To set your misinformation straight not one penny of state money is going towards the Rockies and Diamondbacks new facility. You claim otherwise but, of course, you aren’t writing for the one newspaper in this town so you apparently don’t have to check your facts.
    The new facility is being paid for entirely by the Pima Salt River native Americans. Not one penny of state or local money is going into the facility.
     
    How about checking your facts and rewriting your article? Maybe you could even give your blog some credibility if you fact checked what you wrote.
     
     

    • Mark B. Evans

      Lighten up Ed.
       
      And then go here: http://www.az-sta.com/archives.htm
       
      Read through the meeting minutes and reports from the Arizona Sports and Tourism Authority and you’ll find the information that supports my argument.
       
      I’ve written about this before. Here’s an excerpt from my June, 2009 column:


      Perhaps it might make sense to get in bed with pro teams if their owners didn’t break their deals whenever they wanted. The Chicago White Sox were supposed to be here for another three years but bought their way out of their contract for a measly $5 million and moved to Glendale to play in cushy new digs with the Los Angeles Dodgers.
      The White Sox are the ninth MLB team to change spring training sites in the past 10 years. More changes may be on the way. The Cincinnati Reds are moving to Phoenix from Florida next year and the Diamondbacks and Rockies are unhappy without a third team in Tucson and are being heavily courted by Maricopa County and Las Vegas.
      The Arizona Sports and Tourism Authority will spend about $400 million over the next 20 years building and renovating spring training stadiums in Phoenix. That’s on top of cities like Glendale spending their own millions to build stadiums like Glendale’s $108 million facility for the White Sox and Dodgers.
       

  • http://www.hartmanhunter.com Barry Bonds, MLB

    Tucson needs cowboys, steers and queers.  Let Phoenix do what they do best.  Tucson can have the gem show and Phoenix can have the Spring Training, MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL, WNBA, The largest Golf Tourney in the World, NASCAR, Barett-Jackson, etc.

    If Tucson was anything more than prickly pears and sabino canyon – maybe they would have been able to get Rio Nuevo off the ground floor.

  • blackieparadise

    It’s all about geography.  No MLB team want’s to bus it down here to play spring training games anymore.  Why should they when all the action is up north.   It’s not anyone’s fault.  Time to move on because ST is history.
    As far as filling the “Jewel of Pima County” with events that generate some dollars?   That’s going to be difficult.  We can bring in Japanese minor league baseball,  but don’t expect MLB to make the trip down here to play them.
    I’d love to see College and High School baseball tourney’s, music concerts etc. but in the end,  this field is going to sit empty and be a constant reminder of better times.  Make no mistake,  baseball leaving Tucson is not a good thing.

  • Merle

    It was fun while it lasted but now it is time to move on like you say. My concerns are about the updating and improvements and the “couple of bucks” to develop the facilites as you call it. I would suggest that it fall under the same “PAYGO” rules of Congress(no pun inteneded); in that for every expense there must be an offsetting revenue. There is no such thing as a “couple of bucks” when overseen by bureaucrats.

  • feder16

    Mark,
    I wish you would offer accurate comments, especially concerning our Japanese initiative. FYI – if the Japanese do come to Tucson, we canSTILL AND PLAN to have youth and amateur tournaments. There is plenty of room for everybody. FYI – the 40 team HS and college Andy mentioned above is being done at the Kino Sports Complex during Spring Training with the permission of the Diamondbacks. I would love to talk to you if you want to know more details. Send me an e-mail and I’ll give you my cell phone number.
    Mike Feder
    Executive Director – Pima County Sports & Tourism Authority

    • Mark B. Evans

      I don’t deny that youth teams are playing there now. My point is that they’re baseball teams. Keeping it a baseball facility limits the use of TEP. To market the facility to other sports, you’ll have to sod some infields and knock down pitcher’s mounds, add bleachers to the training fields area and so forth. You’ll also have to be willing to convert the stadium from baseball to softball to soccer/football/rugby and back to baseball. I don’t see how you can do that if you have to keep the fields MLB ready.

  • Tim Mulkern

    Dear Mark, My comments are in response to your March 15/10 article ‘Loss of big-league ball could be a blessing!’ We live in Calgary, Canada, and have been coming down to Tucson for 2 weeks every March for Cactus League Baseball for 10 years now. During that time, we have developed a real love for Tucson.  We love going to the Reid Park Zoo or Tucson Botanical Gardens before a game at Hi-Corbett.  After games at Tucson Electric Park, we usually end up at one of our favorite restaurants, like Old Pueblo Grill or Vivace.   Off baseball days often include trips to Arizona Sonora Desert Museum or Old Tucson Studios.  We always end up buying stuff at the 4th Avenue Street Fair.  Given our annual exposure to March Madness, we’ve even become avid fans of Wildcats basketball, with t-shirts and hats to prove it. We know what its like to lose a baseball team.  Calgary lost it’s AAA franchise to Albuquerque and now play in the Golden League – along with the Tucson Toros – what a huge comedown on the baseball ladder!! As much as we like Tucson, the main reason we come here is Cactus League Baseball.  I know that the money I spend on my last beer & brat at the March 26 game at TEP between the Diamondbacks and White Sox will probably be the last dollars I ever spend in Tucson .  We are not coming back, and will try to make sure that the door doesn’t hit us on the way back north to Phoenix. Good luck with the soccer moms! Regards, Tim & Bev Mulkern